From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 01:04:27 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 01:04:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Most accurate method for plotting the amplitude of an audio signal? In-Reply-To: <1d2a9.4725f98f@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d2a9.4725f98f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <47297A7B.7090701@addcom.de> Andrew Robertson schrieb: > Also, Stefan's suggestion is very good. How computationally expensive > is an msp object in java? I was reffering to expensive in terms of programming hours necescary to achieve the theoretic perfect result, versus just being happy what's available already. On the other hand, if you go to program the perfect idea, you will learn a lot. That's not bad at all, but you have to it do all on your own... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 01:26:12 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 01:41:45 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Samplerates in max In-Reply-To: <83CFC330-C65A-4D1B-A7BB-2DB0A9980A40@gmail.com> References: <1cfd5.47192c00@www.cycling74.com> <83CFC330-C65A-4D1B-A7BB-2DB0A9980A40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47297F94.1030004@addcom.de> Peter McCulloch schrieb: > A couple of years ago, I saw a presentation from a guy who was doing > surround sound promotions sponsored by Tannoy. IIRC, he claimed there > was a study done showing that it was almost impossible to tell the > difference between material upsampled from 48kHZ to 96kHz and material > recorded at 96 kHz. Curious to hear about your results once you get it > working. Never trust statistics you didn't fake yourself... If I can easily hear the difference, the study was maybe targeted at untrained ipod degraded ears... ;-) Or they used high end converters which I would never be able to afford in my whole lifetime... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From tommy at mamito.com Thu Nov 1 02:21:55 2007 From: tommy at mamito.com (tommy) Date: Thu Nov 1 02:22:00 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: iPhone OSC app... In-Reply-To: <1d371.4728afb8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3bd.47298ca3@www.cycling74.com> sorry...my email server was not going... about i3L its the first time i see it, even if i was expecting an update from mister aka, i never expected such a big thing like this. it's gorgeous there's no way to download though, isn't it? i could not find it anywhere and downloads page is empty... neither their software thrill is available somewhere that i know. maybe don winkler (who wrote an article a bout them) knows the link, dou you dan? thank you From tommy at mamito.com Thu Nov 1 02:42:19 2007 From: tommy at mamito.com (tommy) Date: Thu Nov 1 02:42:22 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: iPhone OSC app... In-Reply-To: <1d3bd.47298ca3@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3be.4729916b@www.cycling74.com> ok... now i've found and installed everything. the released v.1 that is kind of application like junxion for gamepads which helps you addressing and redirecting whatever messages from iphone, and also storing setups (on computer, not on iphone). really cool would be trying v.2 who is currently only a preview show on the website. with cartesian implementation...really really cool From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 03:24:05 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 03:24:23 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Audio Analysis Patchers? In-Reply-To: <1d309.47273b37@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d309.47273b37@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <47299B35.6080509@addcom.de> Christopher Oliver schrieb: > what do you mean by [fiddle~] external? iam assuming that the fiddle~ > part is some sort of object? You need to know that there is Maxobjects.com. If you ever come across a word you don't know and it could be some 3rd party object go search there, and of course google will also pop up with web sites and Max list threads about exactly the same kind of question over and over again... Only ask again if you searched there and didn't find anything... (I assume you did read the fundamentals and did go through all the tutorials, which is also a requirement... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 03:42:31 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 03:42:44 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Glass Maker In-Reply-To: <1d382.4728c7ae@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d382.4728c7ae@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <47299F87.80909@addcom.de> Brent Huras schrieb: > How do i go about doing these "various distortions?" they sound like > exactly what I need! Bid on a "Big Muff" on eBay, send your signal through in case you could afford it... Get distorted... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 03:50:45 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 03:50:51 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Virus TI and Max/MSP In-Reply-To: <1d312.47275b7d@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d312.47275b7d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729A175.80208@addcom.de> Adam Barnett schrieb: > I was sort of hoping to wait for 5 before I buy to avoid the > confusion of switching. Don't worry, you'll get a free update to Max 5 and when it comes out you're ready to go, as you did all the tutorials already. > I'm looking to use Max to build a custom step sequencer to interface > my Monome 256 with my Access Virus TI synth. My concern is the way > the Virus handles communication between itself and the TI VST > plug-in: it's fairly non-standard, and I don't know enough about this > stuff to be able to determine if this is something I can do... I > COULD not use the TI plug-in and do things with MIDI, but then I'd > need to buy a MIDI interface, instead of using the TI's USB > connection, etc... I guess the TI's USB connection will be just a Midi interface for your computer, there should be no difference... You'll love Max for what you want to do, but there is a learning curve. Just get your hands durty and download the trial. After going through the tutorials, you'll get all the help you need here. Sounds like a fun project... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 04:09:59 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 04:10:03 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Any point to using 192Khz for recording? In-Reply-To: <1d346.4727fe76@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d346.4727fe76@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729A5F7.9090408@addcom.de> Tyler Nitsch schrieb: > When it came to finally mastering the material onto a CD I found that > the best sound came out at 88.2KHz. I found the material I recorded > at 192KHz to sound extremely harsh and abrasive. It probably depends for which medium you want to record. If the final product is 44.1 kHz CD, a SR of 88.2 kHZ seems a good choice, and if you master for DVD, then 96kHz would be more appropriate... This amount of oversampling leaves enough room for smooth analog filtering, higher rates impose more problems in that area without (m)any benefits... Both would double the CPU requirements for processing in Max according to 44.1/48 kHz though... One option could be, record in 88.1/96 kHz but to do the patch in 44.1. When its finished, switch to non realtime and 88.1/96 kHz. and render the result in good quality... (Only worth for tweakheads... ;-) ...I just see, that the nonrealtime driver doesn't allow 88.2 kHz. This seems to be an oversight I can't follow... Any comments from cycling...? Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 04:22:59 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 04:23:11 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Any point to using 192Khz for recording? In-Reply-To: <1d361.472863a3@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d361.472863a3@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729A903.60007@addcom.de> Anthony Bisset schrieb: > http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/surround2002/technology/page_08.shtml > These guys live in a different world: "Data storage is cheap these days; I can get a terabyte for less than three thousand dollars. We need to deliver audio as painlessly as possible to the consumer." I get a terabyte for less than 250 Euros, but they still consider it cheap... ;-) > Many golden ears like the MR-1 but the plots on this page are not > exactly exciting. I'd like to see a DSD conversion down to 96khz > compared, perhaps in my next life when i have time for such things. Another point is if they put up wave forms as arguments they obviously do not trust their ears... The cleaner waveforms will be distorted in their ears anyway to what is supposed to be worse... Tech talk marketing I'd call that. Its made for people who do not understand, but have too many bucks to spend... > it follows recording shouldn't be so dependent on things sounding > professional rather just "sounding intentional". You pinpoint it to the essential. Nothing to add... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From pieter.coussement at telenet.be Thu Nov 1 04:45:07 2007 From: pieter.coussement at telenet.be (Pieter Coussement) Date: Thu Nov 1 04:45:17 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: iPhone OSC app... In-Reply-To: <1d3bd.47298ca3@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3bd.47298ca3@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Great to know that Dan moved up in the italian maffia. Good work Don Winckler, I'll make sure I kiss that ring the next time I see you btw great app and one more reason to shell out for the iphone. Best Pieter On 01 Nov 2007, at 09:21, tommy wrote: > > sorry...my email server was not going... > > about i3L > its the first time i see it, even if i was expecting an update from > mister aka, i never expected such a big thing like this. it's gorgeous > > there's no way to download though, isn't it? > > i could not find it anywhere and downloads page is empty... > neither their software thrill is available somewhere that i know. > maybe don winkler (who wrote an article a bout them) knows the link, > dou you dan? > > thank you > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From funny_zen at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 05:01:02 2007 From: funny_zen at yahoo.com (FunnyZen) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:01:07 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Graphical display of objects In-Reply-To: <1d3b9.47296512@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3c6.4729b1ed@www.cycling74.com> What I am trying to do is something like the ready objects provided with max, you type uslider for example and have a uslider designed instantly. But I'll try using clippings, it may be enough, thanks. FunnyZen From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 05:04:39 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:04:45 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Interpolating MIDI values In-Reply-To: <1d34d.472816eb@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d34d.472816eb@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729B2C7.6060309@addcom.de> mHatsys schrieb: > anyone know of an object, technique, suggestion that will let me do > this possibly based on the acceleration of moving from one cc value > to the next? Or maybe its time i break out my old college calculus > book. According to Doepfers web site, the controller is 12-bit. That means you can receive the LSB's on a different controller number (+32) as well. Use those for the higher precision. Or use my ctl.in, which pulls out the a float value between 0. and 128. as direct replacement for ctlin... Then just calculate with floats to get the intermediate values... (Ah, its not on the recent distri...) I'll update my St.ools to carry the ctl.in abstraction soon... But as you can set the R2M also to transmit pitchbend, I'd just set it to that and receive with xbendin... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 05:16:04 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:16:08 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: aesthetics In-Reply-To: References: <1d1fc.4722ac24@www.cycling74.com> <4728937C.5080705@addcom.de> Message-ID: <4729B574.9050601@addcom.de> Peiman Khosravi schrieb: > You could have an object inside your patch that sets the global value > for that patch only (thus ignoring the global preferences setting of max > for that patcher window). Yes that would work as well, an appearence extension to thispatcher maybe... That would be actually pretty cool, could also define colors and alike... Lets vote for that, seems easier to implement and doesn't add overhead to the objects... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From j.hyde at theperiphery.com Thu Nov 1 05:20:24 2007 From: j.hyde at theperiphery.com (Joseph Hyde) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:20:29 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max 5 and Attributes In-Reply-To: <1d3b5.47295b63@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3c9.4729b678@www.cycling74.com> didn't see the rounded_corners_off attribute in there.. ;) (sorry!) From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 05:32:32 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:32:36 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <1d372.4728b050@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d372.4728b050@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729B950.9070105@addcom.de> Mattijs Kneppers schrieb: > - when encapsulating something you have to change all the pattr paths > that connect to and from the newly created subpatch. pattr doesn't > allow for unnamed intermediate subpatchers. The pattr namespace is > still global so not usable in a situation where scope is important. How do you deal with this in strict oo manner? You have to adress somehow your patches. And you could still use a pattrmarker object inside an encapsulation. But you're right, that name will be global... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 05:35:29 2007 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:35:41 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: SeqPlayer on windows platform In-Reply-To: <1d39c.4728f0db@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d39c.4728f0db@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729BA01.8010500@gmail.com> I've worked on one a long time ago, all Java based. It's still full of bugs that, unfortunately, appear to be different on every machine. But you may have luck using it. It was meant to output ALL from a Midi file. The code should be around too, so you may fix a few things if you want. Info here : http://francois.eudes.free.fr/mfplay.htm Download : Go to the ./software page you'll find thru the link below f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| jorge.boos a ?crit : > Hi, > > I've found 'midiparty' from Topher Lafata, > and I made this patcher to give it a try. > Are there other Max objects, externals, > patches about midi, midifiles, looping? > While winXP 'seqplayer' is cooking, > please let me know about them... > > cheers, > Jorge > > > max v2; > #N vpatcher 4 24 796 510; > #P origin 0 9; > #N comlet time signature denominator; > #P outlet 182 432 15 0; > #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; > #P number 182 309 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #N comlet number of tracks; > #P outlet 735 434 15 0; > #P number 604 253 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 631 398 37 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P window linecount 1; > #P newex 631 368 27 9109513 int; > #P newex 631 335 27 9109513 + 1; > #P flonum 373 388 72 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 510 390 27 9109513 + 1; > #P newex 510 363 34 9109513 == 0.; > #P newex 495 334 40 9109513 t f f i; > #P newex 510 426 75 9109513 gate 2 1; > #P message 271 83 48 9109513 john1.mid; > #P newex 373 360 89 9109513 expr $f3 / $f2 / $f1; > #P newex 373 332 89 9109513 bondo 3; > #P message 49 339 16 9109513 0.; > #P newex 49 309 31 9109513 delay; > #N comlet resolution; > #P inlet 389 38 15 0; > #P message 253 47 57 9109513 allofme.mid; > #N comlet filename; > #P inlet 195 38 15 0; > #P newex 195 107 64 9109513 prepend open; > #N comlet output (trackno channel msg byte1 byte2); > #P outlet 26 432 15 0; > #N comlet clock; > #P inlet 723 38 15 0; > #P comment 717 22 28 9109513 clock; > #P button 153 76 15 0; > #N comlet open; > #P inlet 153 38 15 0; > #P comment 147 22 28 9109513 open; > #N comlet miliseconds per tick; > #P outlet 218 432 15 0; > #P flonum 218 388 64 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 218 351 100 9109513 expr 60000 / $f2 / $f1; > #P newex 285 307 33 9109513 bondo; > #N comlet length in ticks; > #P outlet 683 434 15 0; > #N comlet used resolution; > #P outlet 325 432 15 0; > #P comment 676 450 33 9109513 length; > #P message 475 58 23 9109513 110; > #P message 422 58 18 9109513 80; > #P message 537 58 23 9109513 192; > #P message 502 58 23 9109513 120; > #P message 564 58 23 9109513 240; > #P message 444 58 18 9109513 96; > #P newex 422 106 84 9109513 prepend resolution; > #P button 723 106 15 0; > #N comlet BPM (beats per minute); > #P outlet 90 432 15 0; > #P newex 139 263 53 9109513 unpack; > #P newex 139 236 130 9109513 regexp @re / @substitute " "; > #N comlet time signature numerator (beats per bar); > #P outlet 139 432 15 0; > #P message 243 29 61 9109513 lambada.mid; > #P message 700 105 14 9109513 0; > #P button 655 70 15 0; > #N comlet reset; > #P inlet 655 38 15 0; > #N comlet input; > #P inlet 116 38 15 0; > #P number 527 255 48 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 450 255 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 373 255 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #N comlet length in bars; > #P outlet 631 434 15 0; > #N comlet internal resolution; > #P outlet 345 432 15 0; > #P number 139 309 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 90 309 35 9 0 0 0 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 236 194 38 9109513 zl nth 1; > #P message 262 65 54 9109513 samba.mid; > #P message 153 108 28 9109513 open; > #P message 511 107 62 9109513 viewsource; > #P message 655 105 33 9109513 reset; > #P newex 90 206 109 9109513 route bpm timesignature; > #P comment 535 232 32 9109513 length; > #P comment 458 232 37 9109513 internal; > #P newex 296 226 23 9109513 t b; > #P message 296 254 49 9109513 dumpinfo; > #P newex 296 194 397 9109513 route loaded resolution internalresolution ticklength numtracks; > #P newex 116 158 191 9109513 mxj midiparty @raw false; > #P comment 381 232 46 9109513 resolution; > #P comment 112 22 28 9109513 input; > #P comment 649 22 28 9109513 reset; > #P comment 63 449 63 9109513 beats per min; > #P comment 343 449 39 9109513 internal; > #P comment 137 449 64 9109513 time signature; > #P comment 297 449 45 9109513 resolution; > #P comment 211 449 53 9109513 mseg / tick; > #P comment 19 449 32 9109513 output; > #P comment 183 22 44 9109513 filename; > #P comment 373 22 46 9109513 resolution; > #P comment 429 140 128 9109513 default resolution is set to 96; > #P comment 628 450 24 9109513 bars; > #P comment 612 232 33 9109513 tracks; > #P comment 728 450 32 9109513 tracks; > #P fasten 15 0 63 0 121 187 31 187; > #P fasten 37 0 68 0 705 297 54 297; > #P connect 68 0 69 0; > #P fasten 26 1 21 0 269 224 216 224 216 196 95 196; > #P fasten 37 0 27 0 705 297 95 297; > #P connect 21 0 27 0; > #P connect 27 0 42 0; > #P fasten 44 0 15 0 427 137 121 137; > #P fasten 22 0 15 0 660 137 121 137; > #P fasten 23 0 15 0 516 137 121 137; > #P fasten 24 0 15 0 158 137 121 137; > #P connect 34 0 15 0; > #P fasten 17 0 15 0 301 289 728 289 728 137 121 137; > #P fasten 64 0 15 0 200 137 121 137; > #P fasten 43 0 15 0 728 137 121 137; > #P connect 21 1 40 0; > #P connect 40 0 41 0; > #P fasten 37 0 28 0 705 297 144 297; > #P connect 41 0 28 0; > #P connect 28 0 39 0; > #P connect 59 0 60 0; > #P connect 60 0 24 0; > #P fasten 37 0 83 0 705 297 187 297; > #P connect 41 1 83 0; > #P connect 83 0 84 0; > #P connect 72 0 64 0; > #P connect 38 0 64 0; > #P connect 66 0 64 0; > #P connect 25 0 64 0; > #P connect 65 0 64 0; > #P fasten 54 0 55 0 290 343 223 343; > #P fasten 55 0 56 0 223 375 223 375; > #P fasten 69 0 56 0 54 379 223 379; > #P connect 56 0 57 0; > #P connect 15 2 26 0; > #P fasten 27 0 54 0 95 334 273 334 273 288 290 288; > #P connect 15 3 16 0; > #P connect 16 0 18 0; > #P connect 18 0 17 0; > #P fasten 31 0 54 1 378 281 313 281; > #P connect 54 1 55 1; > #P fasten 31 0 52 0 378 281 330 281; > #P fasten 32 0 29 0 455 305 350 305; > #P fasten 37 0 31 0 705 229 378 229; > #P connect 16 1 31 0; > #P fasten 28 0 70 0 144 413 362 413 362 322 378 322; > #P connect 70 0 71 0; > #P connect 71 0 77 0; > #P fasten 31 0 70 1 378 314 417 314; > #P connect 70 1 71 1; > #P fasten 47 0 44 0 507 90 427 90; > #P fasten 46 0 44 0 569 90 427 90; > #P fasten 48 0 44 0 542 90 427 90; > #P fasten 49 0 44 0 427 90 427 90; > #P fasten 45 0 44 0 449 90 427 90; > #P fasten 50 0 44 0 480 90 427 90; > #P fasten 67 0 44 0 394 90 427 90; > #P fasten 37 0 32 0 705 229 455 229; > #P connect 16 2 32 0; > #P fasten 33 0 70 2 532 314 456 314; > #P connect 70 2 71 2; > #P fasten 77 0 74 0 378 413 477 413 477 324 500 324; > #P connect 74 1 75 0; > #P connect 75 0 76 0; > #P connect 76 0 73 0; > #P connect 16 3 33 0; > #P fasten 37 0 33 0 705 229 532 229; > #P connect 74 2 75 1; > #P fasten 74 0 73 1 500 417 580 417; > #P connect 16 4 81 0; > #P fasten 73 0 78 0 515 461 604 461 604 326 636 326; > #P fasten 73 1 79 0 580 453 613 453 613 361 636 361; > #P connect 78 0 79 0; > #P connect 79 0 80 0; > #P connect 80 0 30 0; > #P connect 35 0 36 0; > #P connect 36 0 22 0; > #P fasten 33 0 53 0 532 314 688 314; > #P fasten 36 0 37 0 660 96 705 96; > #P connect 62 0 43 0; > #P fasten 33 0 43 0 532 281 750 281 750 96 728 96; > #P fasten 81 0 82 0 609 305 740 305; > #P pop; > > end of file > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 05:54:14 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:54:23 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <1d3b6.47295c76@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3b6.47295c76@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729BE66.8070900@addcom.de> Adam Murray schrieb: > I think the real problem is the namespace depends on the patch > structure. These need to be decoupled, or as you said, we need > "unnamed intermediate subpatchers". One idea that might work well > with the current pattr system is to introduce a pattrlink object that > allows for setting up symlinks for use with pattrforward and > pattrbackward. I guess the pattrmarker object would allow for unnamed intermediate subpatchers, and even if they get named automatically, it wouldn't hurt. You could adress your object either by the full path or the pattrmarker name path... You might need some extra patching/scripting to create independent pattrmarker names though. But that seems to be a solvable problem... I can imagine to use a sort of #0_patrmarker_names and a coll which would keep track of all the instances... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu Nov 1 05:55:58 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:56:04 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Graphical display of objects In-Reply-To: <1d3b9.47296512@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3b9.47296512@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4729BECE.1070106@addcom.de> Adam Murray schrieb: > - If you use a bpatcher widget a lot, try setting it up as clipping > so you can add it via the "Paste from" menu. See the Max Fundamentals > pdf. Or even better, save it as a prototype for bpatcher... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 06:07:46 2007 From: ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia at gmail.com (ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia) Date: Thu Nov 1 06:07:49 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 Message-ID: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> hello long time lurker rare time poster only during extraordinary reasons do i post my partner and i are a musical duo we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the rounded corners everything is working good in the current set up after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a decision and stick with it those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any positives max 5 might have im sorry it came to this long live max 4 From jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org Thu Nov 1 06:27:41 2007 From: jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org (Jean-Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Charles) Date: Thu Nov 1 06:27:23 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Same with me for hardware: the round corners of the whole Macintosh line are so unacceptable. Jean-Fran?ois. > those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any positives max 5 > might have From tommy at mamito.com Thu Nov 1 06:44:48 2007 From: tommy at mamito.com (tommy) Date: Thu Nov 1 06:44:51 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: iPhone OSC app... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1d3d0.4729ca40@www.cycling74.com> hohoh im sorry sorry... Dan ahahahahahhahaha From hans.mittendorf at free.fr Thu Nov 1 06:55:34 2007 From: hans.mittendorf at free.fr (Hans Mittendorf) Date: Thu Nov 1 06:55:40 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Support In-Reply-To: <1d1d0.47220460@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> after asking this list about problems were the answer was non, I installed it on a G5 2.5 MGZ and Max crashes loading! Mail crashes loading many other apps do not work. I even had a message at the end of the installation procedure: your Mac could not be upgraded!!! But it launches into X.5.... Ouch Anyone heared of this before? From icat at syntaxerror.cc Thu Nov 1 07:15:29 2007 From: icat at syntaxerror.cc (Joshua Hemming) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:15:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3d2.4729d171@www.cycling74.com> I agree. In fact, Logic "sleek" design has also been dampening my creativity, so I have decided to go back to Studio Vision Pro. From gaussroms at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 07:22:55 2007 From: gaussroms at gmail.com (petterdass) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:22:58 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Save subpatches as externals Message-ID: <1d3d3.4729d32d@www.cycling74.com> Helu Sorry to bother with noob questions... How do i save my subpatches so i can use them in other projects? Thank you! (I know how to download externals and save them in a folder thats included im max search path, but i cant figure out how to save my own little creations) From zip at knoware.nl Thu Nov 1 07:26:08 2007 From: zip at knoware.nl (Zip Boterbloem) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:26:20 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Support In-Reply-To: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <28797BC5-8081-4513-9EB7-A77AD678199C@knoware.nl> Sorry Hans, but installing a .0 version of anything, and especially the OS is asking for trouble. In my 25 years of computer use I've never experienced a .0 that didn't break something. Thousands of Leopard users are having problems right now. See macfixit, macintouch etc. Actually, one of the c74 crew warned against upgrading on this list. With Max, it could be that you just need to upgrade the pace copy protection stuff. Search this forum for info. Good luck. It might be time to revert to your Tiger backup. Best, Zip Zip Boterbloem Media Mechanics Zwaluwstraat 54 2025 VR Haarlem The Netherlands +31627014758 zip@knoware.nl Op 1-nov-2007, om 13:55 heeft Hans Mittendorf het volgende geschreven: > > after asking this list about problems were the answer was non, I > installed it on a G5 2.5 MGZ and Max crashes loading! > Mail crashes loading many other apps do not work. > I even had a message at the end of the installation procedure: your > Mac could not be upgraded!!! But it launches into X.5.... > Ouch > Anyone heared of this before? > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From wugmump at speakeasy.org Thu Nov 1 07:55:35 2007 From: wugmump at speakeasy.org (joshua goldberg) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:55:49 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Any point to using 192Khz for recording? In-Reply-To: <4729A903.60007@addcom.de> References: <1d361.472863a3@www.cycling74.com> <4729A903.60007@addcom.de> Message-ID: <61E8156F-E79F-41CC-8366-033E0B9E36E1@speakeasy.org> to be fair, this page is four years old. On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:22 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Anthony Bisset schrieb: >> http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/surround2002/technology/page_08.shtml > These guys live in a different world: > > "Data storage is cheap these days; I can get a terabyte for less than > three thousand dollars. We need to deliver audio as painlessly as > possible to the consumer." > > I get a terabyte for less than 250 Euros, but they still consider it > cheap... ;-) > >> Many golden ears like the MR-1 but the plots on this page are not >> exactly exciting. I'd like to see a DSD conversion down to 96khz >> compared, perhaps in my next life when i have time for such things. > > Another point is if they put up wave forms as arguments they obviously > do not trust their ears... > The cleaner waveforms will be distorted in their ears anyway to what > is > supposed to be worse... > > Tech talk marketing I'd call that. Its made for people who do not > understand, but have too many bucks to spend... > >> it follows recording shouldn't be so dependent on things sounding >> professional rather just "sounding intentional". > > You pinpoint it to the essential. Nothing to add... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From s.scheuregger at hotmail.co.uk Thu Nov 1 07:56:01 2007 From: s.scheuregger at hotmail.co.uk (Stefan Scheuregger) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:56:06 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3d6.4729daf0@www.cycling74.com> Personally i love the new look of Max 5. Im a new Max user so for me this has come at a great time. By the time the upgrade is released i'll be more experienced in MaxMSP and the new features in 5.0 will increase my productivity further. I think it's a great step forward and i'll be welcoming it. Maybe there will be an option to revert to the original Max "look" while retaining the new features. From peimankhosravi at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 07:59:20 2007 From: peimankhosravi at gmail.com (Peiman Khosravi) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:59:29 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Save subpatches as externals In-Reply-To: <1d3d3.4729d32d@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3d3.4729d32d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <9C39F10A-5398-4C8D-95F0-CFE2A28E2CEC@gmil.com> The same way you, just need to put it on the max search path. Save your subpatches as new self contained patches and then put them somewhere on the search path. As long as they don't have the same name as another object it should work. This would make an abstract (as opposed to an external). P On 1 Nov 2007, at 13:22, petterdass wrote: > > Helu > > Sorry to bother with noob questions... > > How do i save my subpatches so i can use them in other projects? > > Thank you! > > (I know how to download externals and save them in a folder thats > included im max search path, but i cant figure out how to save my > own little creations) > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From wugmump at speakeasy.org Thu Nov 1 08:17:28 2007 From: wugmump at speakeasy.org (joshua goldberg) Date: Thu Nov 1 08:17:43 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: yeah, long live os 9! long live nato modular! death to those round corners! i am coming to realize that the transition to rounded antialiased objects may actually disenfranchise the crazies in our community. it's even better than i imagined! On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:07 AM, ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia wrote: > > > hello > > long time lurker > rare time poster > only during extraordinary reasons do i post > > my partner and i are a musical duo > we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to > max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the > rounded corners > > everything is working good in the current set up > after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 > im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be > some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a > decision and stick with it > > those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any > positives max 5 might have > > im sorry it came to this > long live max 4 > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From tedor2 at citromail.hu Thu Nov 1 08:27:05 2007 From: tedor2 at citromail.hu (tedor) Date: Thu Nov 1 08:27:09 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: SELECTING wires with objects In-Reply-To: <1d3b0.47292f91@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3d7.4729e239@www.cycling74.com> hmmm... will try it, thx From doktorp at mac.com Thu Nov 1 08:30:11 2007 From: doktorp at mac.com (vade) Date: Thu Nov 1 08:30:20 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Support In-Reply-To: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <784A5D0C-76CB-462B-97AB-108D7EB91858@mac.com> Hi Hans. I would suggest doing an Archive and Install option for 10.5, and also when booted from the DVD, make sure to verify your harddrive. Good luck! On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Hans Mittendorf wrote: > > after asking this list about problems were the answer was non, I > installed it on a G5 2.5 MGZ and Max crashes loading! > Mail crashes loading many other apps do not work. > I even had a message at the end of the installation procedure: your > Mac could not be upgraded!!! But it launches into X.5.... > Ouch > Anyone heared of this before? > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From peimankhosravi at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 09:20:38 2007 From: peimankhosravi at gmail.com (Peiman Khosravi) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:20:48 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> I got the impression from reading this thread that "r**nd c*rn*rs" is a type of degenerate alien virus that has somehow lurked its way into max 5 source code. Is it not!? So what does it mean? I am probably too innocent to understand... p On 1 Nov 2007, at 14:17, joshua goldberg wrote: > yeah, long live os 9! long live nato modular! death to those > round corners! > > i am coming to realize that the transition to rounded antialiased > objects may actually disenfranchise the crazies in our community. > it's even better than i imagined! > > On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:07 AM, ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia wrote: > >> >> >> hello >> >> long time lurker >> rare time poster >> only during extraordinary reasons do i post >> >> my partner and i are a musical duo >> we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to >> max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the >> rounded corners >> >> everything is working good in the current set up >> after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 >> im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be >> some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a >> decision and stick with it >> >> those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any >> positives max 5 might have >> >> im sorry it came to this >> long live max 4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> maxmsp mailing list >> maxmsp@cycling74.com >> http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp >> > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From adam at submercity.com Thu Nov 1 09:30:28 2007 From: adam at submercity.com (Adam Barnett) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:30:31 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Virus TI and Max/MSP In-Reply-To: <4729A175.80208@addcom.de> Message-ID: <1d3df.4729f113@www.cycling74.com> I wanted to use the USB TI business so I could route the Virus' audio through some MSP functions...but I guess there are work arounds for that, too. From hsienchiab at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 09:40:40 2007 From: hsienchiab at gmail.com (hsien-chi meng) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:40:45 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Chinese Fonts! Message-ID: Hi I am doing a Max/Msp/Jitter project that is related to use different Chinese fonts for my Mac computer. Does anyone know how to get a diversity of free Chinese fonts that have oracle inscription, seal style, clerical style, regular style, cursive style, and semi-cursive style? Someone is a Chinese Max/msp/jitter user to help me out? Many thanks! Meng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/attachments/20071101/8d4fec2a/attachment.htm From rodrigo.constanzo at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 09:55:05 2007 From: rodrigo.constanzo at gmail.com (Rodrigo Constanzo) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:55:09 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Manchester Max/MSPers In-Reply-To: <-665037952370185484@unknownmsgid> References: <4fe55b6e0710310758t13d746ccqbc5c66522b6ffcf2@mail.gmail.com> <-665037952370185484@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4fe55b6e0711010855v75fc5bfar22117e42d409a95a@mail.gmail.com> Julian, That's not too far. I've not worked with PD at all, so it'd be nice to see some of that in action as well. If we get a couple more responses we can organize a meeting. Or if no one else is into it, we can talk offlist and see if we get something going just the two of us. Thanks on the instruments. Rodrigo On 10/31/07, Julian Brooks wrote: > > Hey Rodrigo, > > > > I'm up the road, in Hebden Bridge. > > I seem to be working more with PD at the mo but I would also be keen to > get a little patching circle type thingy going. My skills are kinda basic > atm, so I would be in the, 'up and coming', section. > > > > Your instruments look well cool btw. > > > > Best, > > > > Jbz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/attachments/20071101/3e0beee0/attachment.htm From adamjmurray at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 10:31:21 2007 From: adamjmurray at gmail.com (Adam Murray) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:31:26 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Graphical display of objects In-Reply-To: <4729BECE.1070106@addcom.de> Message-ID: <1d3e2.4729ff59@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 04:55 ---------------------------------------------------- > > Or even better, save it as a prototype for bpatcher... > Oh, right. That makes more sense. Clippings are good to paste in a group of bpatchers/whatever. I wish bpatcher could take the patch name as an argument instead of making us open up the inspector. Then we could use shortcuts with bpatchers too. (BTW the Editing chapter of the Max Topics guide explains prototypes, clippings, shortcuts) -Adam From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 11:35:07 2007 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:35:16 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> Message-ID: <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> Yeah yeah. Go forward with your silly jokes, mates. BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than you think) really really not happy at all with these ugly rounded corners. This is not a joke. We're really pissed off. There's no way to compare our reaction to "let's go back to OS9" and such crap, it's just silly. This is not even a matter of taste. C74 shouldn't have tried to fix what was already working. Fancy antialiasing doesn't NEED to be round, correct me if i'm wrong. People who wants to play with ugly softwares got plenty of choices all around. You want your rounded corners ? You'll have it, so don't mess in our complains. We're seriously asking for an extra option to have RECTANGULAR CORNERS. f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| Peiman Khosravi a ?crit : > I got the impression from reading this thread that "r**nd c*rn*rs" is a > type of degenerate alien virus that has somehow lurked its way into max > 5 source code. > > Is it not!? So what does it mean? I am probably too innocent to > understand... > > p > > On 1 Nov 2007, at 14:17, joshua goldberg wrote: > >> yeah, long live os 9! long live nato modular! death to those round >> corners! >> >> i am coming to realize that the transition to rounded antialiased >> objects may actually disenfranchise the crazies in our community. >> it's even better than i imagined! >> >> On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:07 AM, ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> hello >>> >>> long time lurker >>> rare time poster >>> only during extraordinary reasons do i post >>> >>> my partner and i are a musical duo >>> we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to >>> max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the >>> rounded corners >>> >>> everything is working good in the current set up >>> after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 >>> im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be >>> some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a >>> decision and stick with it >>> >>> those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any >>> positives max 5 might have >>> >>> im sorry it came to this >>> long live max 4 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> maxmsp mailing list >>> maxmsp@cycling74.com >>> http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> maxmsp mailing list >> maxmsp@cycling74.com >> http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From ikehmope at hellbender.org Thu Nov 1 11:49:13 2007 From: ikehmope at hellbender.org (Adam Kendall) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:49:17 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3e5.472a1197@www.cycling74.com> Now that everyone's made fun of this poor person... I've often been dismayed by software- and os-developers' attitudes that photorealism, 3D, dropshadows and hyperdetailed interface components are a good thing. At some point too much detail causes eye fatigue and is in general distracting. I don't think there should be any detail in an GUI object that doesn't directly support the object. Otherwise, it's nothing but style without purpose. I don't care one way or another about Max's new rounded corners. But, in all seriousness, I think the OS9 design esthetic is far superior to OSX, and I think Logic's v3 interface was far superior to v4+. The icons and objects clearly communicated their purpose without excess detail. Do we *really* need a photorealistic image of a HD vs a well-made icon? Do we really need overly-3D faders when the less detailed version communicated just as much information? Maybe it's a "real world" bias people bring into computers. The sliders in Logic are *not* physical sliders -- They're software. Why do they have to look so much like real ones? The HD icon is OSX is a figurative representation -- Why does it need to look exactly like the real thing? Using that logic, all website should have a door and doorframe as their homepages, then a series of doors, filing cabinets and draws to get information. One man's long and perhaps rambling opinion. Adam From kasper at club-internet.fr Thu Nov 1 12:02:01 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:02:18 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] [ot] disable mouse in OS but still using as hid In-Reply-To: References: <382DF254-8D24-472D-B58B-3F59DE6FAB5A@grieffenhagen.de> <4724C854.8070806@addcom.de> <4728C0EA.4020501@addcom.de> Message-ID: >> >>>now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch >>>were true....... >> >>The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it >>distingushes between one finger or two finger movements. >> >>It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a >>second finger...) >> > > >really cool - ok, the hi numbers are not the same on my pbook, and >the 2nd finger thing only works since i installed iScroll2 > >but this 3rd output could be something interesting!!! Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan?? best kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart From kasper at club-internet.fr Thu Nov 1 12:06:46 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:06:54 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: > >BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than you think) really >really not happy at all with these ugly rounded corners. i'm with you f.e. and you even did not mention the way the new [gain~] (fader) looks like!! kasper From bhuras at uwo.ca Thu Nov 1 12:11:43 2007 From: bhuras at uwo.ca (Brent Huras) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:11:53 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Glass Maker In-Reply-To: <1d311.47275744@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3e8.472a16df@www.cycling74.com> Roald! The patch is exactly, exactly what I needed. I'm going to tweak it slightly, but now I have an understanding of what I need to do to get what I want out of this patch. You are a god among men. I don't know if you're coming to singapore anytime soon, but if you are... drinks are on me! Cheers, SM -- Love (But Just as Friends), Stealth Maestro From peimankhosravi at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 12:23:04 2007 From: peimankhosravi at gmail.com (Peiman Khosravi) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:23:16 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3e5.472a1197@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3e5.472a1197@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <471CB5EC-2666-41E6-BAF5-815C327242DC@gmil.com> I agree with you there. I have always hated those annoying instrument pictures on the logic tracks. But there is a difference between something that looks "clean" and smooth and a GUI that is cluttered with pointless icons and symbols. In case of rounded objects, max just looks better (in my view, so I guess it is a matter of taste), I don't see how it tires the eyes. In fact it is easier on the eyes. As an example take cubase, up to version 4 cubase looked terrible, so cluttered that after a while you'd get lost in your own session. Cubase 4 has simplified that and in my view looks great. But it also looks more smooth and glassy now (a positive improvement), so the two issues are completely apart. Max has always been differentiated from other important languages (e.g. csound and supercollider) because of it's interface, not msp's performance (which is way inferior to say supercollider and csound). It is the user friendly interface that makes it what it is. So why not improve it (not clutter)? That's not to say that the performance shouldn't improve too... Joking apart, my point is that sometimes nostalgia gets in the way of a realistic outlook (this is not a comment about your post). P On 1 Nov 2007, at 17:49, Adam Kendall wrote: > > Now that everyone's made fun of this poor person... > > I've often been dismayed by software- and os-developers' attitudes > that photorealism, 3D, dropshadows and hyperdetailed interface > components are a good thing. At some point too much detail causes > eye fatigue and is in general distracting. I don't think there > should be any detail in an GUI object that doesn't directly support > the object. Otherwise, it's nothing but style without purpose. > > I don't care one way or another about Max's new rounded corners. > But, in all seriousness, I think the OS9 design esthetic is far > superior to OSX, and I think Logic's v3 interface was far superior > to v4+. The icons and objects clearly communicated their purpose > without excess detail. Do we *really* need a photorealistic image > of a HD vs a well-made icon? Do we really need overly-3D faders > when the less detailed version communicated just as much information? > > Maybe it's a "real world" bias people bring into computers. The > sliders in Logic are *not* physical sliders -- They're software. > Why do they have to look so much like real ones? The HD icon is > OSX is a figurative representation -- Why does it need to look > exactly like the real thing? Using that logic, all website should > have a door and doorframe as their homepages, then a series of > doors, filing cabinets and draws to get information. > > One man's long and perhaps rambling opinion. > > Adam > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 12:25:43 2007 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:25:52 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472A1A27.2070704@gmail.com> Glad to read this, Kasp :-) f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| Kasper T Toeplitz a ?crit : >> >> BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than you think) really really >> not happy at all with these ugly rounded corners. > > > i'm with you f.e. > > and you even did not mention the way the new [gain~] (fader) looks like!! > > kasper > From philippehughes at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 13:00:50 2007 From: philippehughes at hotmail.com (phil) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:00:53 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Speeding up an event with no pitch shift Message-ID: <1d3eb.472a225d@www.cycling74.com> Hi, This topic of ?playback speed control? is something that I have posted before but have had no luck with the results of what was suggested to try out. There is obviously something fundamental that I am not getting about how the sampling domain works. Here is the topic again. All I want to do is to have control on the speed of an event. i.e. a single piano key struck is an event which can rhythmically be sped up and slowed down without having it?s pitch altered. When done fast enough it becomes a single note again. Right. But I am surprised the see that sample playback react more like a vinyl or tape deck player. Why is this, I assume that this is because the samples are entered and read in a linear fashion ? Coming back to my piano key example, if this were to be compared to when I select a sample size to be read in the waveform display object, it is read and ?repeated?/looped at a certain speed. All I want is to know how to have control on that playback or repeated speed. (what decide on the playback speed of this object anyways? ) It should not pitch shift , but react like a piano which is, the faster you repeat the more your sound is morphing back into a single sound again , not pitch shift. (what decide on the playback speed of the waveform display object object anyways?) Here is a list of things I was suggested to try out and that I have covered. -I was told to search for externals that does this. I was unlucky with the ones that I found ,(maybe I?m just not using them correctly. The last one was residency~ from the FFTease library. -I was also told to try out the gizmo~ , which worked with the fftin~ , so I needed to first learn Fast Fourier transform was. So I spend a lot of time doing this by 1. Looking on wikipedia 2. The MSP tutorials and topics 3. Peter Elsea?s notes on fft. What I got out of it is that FFT was a fast version of DFT which was cut up sound into slices the length of a period (a wave) , in order to analyse it?s spectral content (harmonics). And as for the fft~ object, well what come out is now frenquency domain. At this point I start getting lost, and sort only got the grasp that this was somewhat like granular synthesis. Maybe? -I was also told to have a look in c74 example and to check out the modsquadRedux patch. Interesting patch but the it also demonstrated that, as the samples were sped up the sound quality would change. Of course it would not pitch shift, but the sound quality is altered. I also had a look at the granular and phase vocoder sampler patch example , and the results are always an altered sound. I don?t want to be annoying with this topicI keep posting, but this is essential for what I want to do musically. And this move sounds to simple to have anything to do with granular synthesis.or fft . I accomplish this in ableton live simply by selecting a sample and bringing the BPM way up to 999. But for now ableton is really not my concern, I want to build my playback speed shifting instrument with the waveform editor that which it?s speed will be controlled by the multi-slider. Sorry for the long post And thank you to everyone for your time and concern. phil From mj at martinjan.com Thu Nov 1 13:10:07 2007 From: mj at martinjan.com (MJ) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:10:15 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472A1A27.2070704@gmail.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> <472A1A27.2070704@gmail.com> Message-ID: hmm i also dont like the rounded corners . if i want roundcorners i'll go quartz composer and they have rounded patch cords also ! (and its faster .....) -mj >Glad to read this, Kasp :-) > >f.e > >f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| > > >Kasper T Toeplitz a ?crit : >>> >>>BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than >>>you think) really really not happy at all with >>>these ugly rounded corners. >> >> >>i'm with you f.e. >> >>and you even did not mention the way the new [gain~] (fader) looks like!! >> >>kasper >> >_______________________________________________ >maxmsp mailing list >maxmsp@cycling74.com >http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From doktorp at mac.com Thu Nov 1 13:35:15 2007 From: doktorp at mac.com (vade) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:35:43 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472A1A27.2070704@gmail.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> <472A1A27.2070704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877FA0A8-9A05-4151-86C1-A85F4CCD12D4@mac.com> Well, Im not sure how this will really effect your work. The claims were all about functional aesthetics. I really dont see anything in the Max 5 GUI that is will actively interfere with your being able to effectively patch. And, really, these claims are all complete speculation until a) max 5 is out b) you use it - and get used to it. Only then can you compare. If you use Max 5 and have actual issues of not being as productive as you were in max 4, then, id say you have a point (assuming your ability isnt marred by your unwillingness to adapt to Max 5s new paradigms). I can see how people can not like rounded corners, but making the claim it effects your ability to do work, in my opinion is a bit sensationalist. What about Quartz Composer users, I dont see them screaming for square corners, they dont even have the ability to have more than one joint in a patch coord! Or Plogue Bidule users? :) On Nov 1, 2007, at 2:25 PM, f.e wrote: > Glad to read this, Kasp :-) > > f.e > > f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music > >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com > >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| > > > Kasper T Toeplitz a ?crit : >>> >>> BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than you think) really >>> really not happy at all with these ugly rounded corners. >> i'm with you f.e. >> and you even did not mention the way the new [gain~] (fader) looks >> like!! >> kasper > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From cycling74forum at opuslocus.net Thu Nov 1 15:19:36 2007 From: cycling74forum at opuslocus.net (John Pitcairn) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:19:39 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <1d3b6.47295c76@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3f0.472a42e7@www.cycling74.com> Quote: adamj wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 17:56 ---------------------------------------------------- > Are you handling the "unnamed intermediate subpatchers" > problem in your OO javascript work or the C externals you're > doing with John? Yes, in C externals. The javascript has been abandoned as too slow. Patchers and abstractions can generate a scope/namespace by the addition of @public, @private, @protected attributes, and this is optional - so you can choose whether to use any given patcher or abstraction scoped or unscoped without modifying it internally. Unscoped patchers do not exist in the namespace: [oo.call myobject.mymethod] [p @public myobject] ...[p something] ......[oo.method @public mymethod] From cycling74forum at opuslocus.net Thu Nov 1 15:30:39 2007 From: cycling74forum at opuslocus.net (John Pitcairn) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:30:43 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <4729BE66.8070900@addcom.de> Message-ID: <1d3f1.472a457e@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Stefan Tiedje wrote on Fri, 02 November 2007 00:54 ---------------------------------------------------- > You might need some extra patching/scripting to create > independent pattrmarker names though. But that seems to be a > solvable problem... I can imagine to use a sort of > #0_patrmarker_names and a coll which would keep track of all > the instances... I prototyped most of a non-pattr namespace system using coll etc to keep track of names/instances, and found that as things scaled up, the number of supporting objects and coll sizes required became a problem. Load times were getting seriously long, and coll lookup overhead for calls wasn't ideal. A pattr-based system as you describe would certainly fare better, but the supporting object cruft is less than desirable. And you still have the problem that everything is public. From jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org Thu Nov 1 16:12:22 2007 From: jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org (Jean-Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Charles) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:12:04 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Speeding up an event with no pitch shift In-Reply-To: <1d3eb.472a225d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: > But I am surprised the see that sample playback react more like a vinyl or > tape deck player. Why is this, I assume that this is because the samples are > entered and read in a linear fashion ? Actually, the "samples" version is nothing else than the digital version of a vinyl. Almost the same physical phenomena happens. The first implementation of changing speed without changing pitch has been realized physically with the equivalent of 1 tape deck with 2 overlapping play heads. That is exactly what a granulator in a computer does. This is the first technique for what you want to do. Apple Garageband uses a version of granulation, I believe. For Live, I don't know, but it is likely too. The second technique is with fft. People who suggested gizmo~ meant: play the sound faster (and it will be automatically pitch shifted), then feed gizmo~ to bring the sound back to its original pitch. If you play twice faster, you will give 0.5 as a transposition parameter to gizmo~. The 2 first choices you have are really -granulation (more or less hidden) -fft Jean-Fran?ois. From tomlists at mamito.com Thu Nov 1 02:23:59 2007 From: tomlists at mamito.com (Tommaso Perego) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:23:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] iPhone OSC app... In-Reply-To: <1d371.4728afb8@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d371.4728afb8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <5DB80992-56B1-4FE3-8FF1-5D50C7CD60C4@mamito.com> its the first time i see it, even if i was expecting an update from mister aka there's no way to download though, isn't it? i could not find it anywhere and downloads page is empty... On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote: > > I was wondering if you iPhone users out there have had > a chance to try this out... > http://thrill.artificialeyes.tv/i3L > It looks pretty cool, I am seriously thinking of getting > an iPhone just for this app. > > I am on XP and use BlueSoleil blue tooth drivers to receive > data from my devices. It works pretty well. Does anyone know > if the iPhone and BlueSoleil are compatible? > > > > > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu Nov 1 16:28:18 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:28:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <1d3b6.47295c76@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3f4.472a5301@www.cycling74.com> Quote: adamj wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 05:56 ---------------------------------------------------- > Quote: Mattijs wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 09:41 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > - when encapsulating something you have to change all the pattr paths that connect to and from the newly created subpatch. pattr doesn't allow for unnamed intermediate subpatchers. The pattr namespace is still global so not usable in a situation where scope is important. > > The namespace issue is definitely a headache. It makes it tough to rework the structure of a large patcher hierarchy once the pattr system has been introduced. I don't think it's an issue with the global namespace or scope, though. In the attached patch you can message pattrs using a relative path from any point in the patch. Abstractions can be reused no problem. Or use the fully qualified path from the top level. How is it not usable where scope is important? > Ah no, I was talking about the pattrmarker object, the equivalent of a namespace in C++. pattrmarker could be used to connect to pattrs without having to specify every intermediate patcher in the path, but pattrmarker defines a global name, so is not usable when you need an independent scope. Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From bthrew at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 16:53:32 2007 From: bthrew at gmail.com (barry threw) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:53:37 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <13288D9C-3CD1-4B0C-BE5C-23CC6C6C8B29@gmail.com> Sweet! More work for me. Anyone who is ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia's client and who wants to utilize the new functionality present in Max 5, my contact info is at the bottom of the email. b On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:07 AM, ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia wrote: > > > hello > > long time lurker > rare time poster > only during extraordinary reasons do i post > > my partner and i are a musical duo > we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to > max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the > rounded corners > > everything is working good in the current set up > after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 > im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be > some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a > decision and stick with it > > those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any > positives max 5 might have > > im sorry it came to this > long live max 4 > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp Barry Threw Media Art and Technology San Francisco, CA Work: 857-544-3967 Email: bthrew@gmail.com IM: captogreadmore (AIM) http:/www.barrythrew.com From martinrobinson_mail at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 1 17:05:40 2007 From: martinrobinson_mail at yahoo.co.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:05:42 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: bpfunction editor, but with curves? In-Reply-To: <1c584.46f86b44@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d3f6.472a5bc3@www.cycling74.com> BTW: I'm in the process of porting the cyclone curve~ to mxj~ hoping it will be more linear when curve is 0. M -- martin robinson max/msp java c installations/performance and systems From news at ostrowski.info Thu Nov 1 13:07:42 2007 From: news at ostrowski.info (mattyo) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:10:39 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Chinese Fonts! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C25B378-6F34-49E4-B935-032BB1A241DE@ostrowski.info> I was only able to find the Chinese Classical & Chinese Simplified fonts that would run on a Mac. I've heard some talk about being able to get open-source, Unix-type fonts to run in Jitter, but I never had any success with it. M On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:40, hsien-chi meng wrote: > Hi > > I am doing a Max/Msp/Jitter project that is related to use > different Chinese fonts for my Mac computer. Does anyone know how > to get a diversity of free Chinese fonts that have oracle > inscription, seal style, clerical style, regular style, cursive > style, and semi-cursive style? Someone is a Chinese Max/msp/jitter > user to help me out? Many thanks! > > Meng > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From dan at danwinckler.com Thu Nov 1 17:27:14 2007 From: dan at danwinckler.com (=?utf-8?B?RGFuIFdpbmNrbGVy?=) Date: Thu Nov 1 17:31:40 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: iPhone OSC app... Message-ID: <1425305563-1193959882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1256782769-@bxe004.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> All is forgiven. Kiss the ring. From wittlist at googlemail.com Thu Nov 1 18:14:35 2007 From: wittlist at googlemail.com (Scott Hewitt) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:14:38 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Manchester Max/MSPers In-Reply-To: <4fe55b6e0711010855v75fc5bfar22117e42d409a95a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fe55b6e0710310758t13d746ccqbc5c66522b6ffcf2@mail.gmail.com> <-665037952370185484@unknownmsgid> <4fe55b6e0711010855v75fc5bfar22117e42d409a95a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi there, Im a PhD student from Hudds working mainly with Max/MSP a patching group would be really interesting On Nov 1, 2007 3:55 PM, Rodrigo Constanzo wrote: > Julian, > > That's not too far. I've not worked with PD at all, so it'd be nice to see > some of that in action as well. If we get a couple more responses we can > organize a meeting. Or if no one else is into it, we can talk offlist and > see if we get something going just the two of us. > > Thanks on the instruments. > > Rodrigo > > > > On 10/31/07, Julian Brooks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Rodrigo, > > > > > > > > I'm up the road, in Hebden Bridge. > > > > I seem to be working more with PD at the mo but I would also be keen to > get a little patching circle type thingy going. My skills are kinda basic > atm, so I would be in the, 'up and coming', section. > > > > > > > > Your instruments look well cool btw. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Jbz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > maxmsp mailing list > > maxmsp@cycling74.com > > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > > From garton at columbia.edu Thu Nov 1 18:26:27 2007 From: garton at columbia.edu (garton@columbia.edu) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:26:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20071101202627.25h0xexvy80gsoc4@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> I was getting all set to post a snide comment on this 'rounded/square corner' debate to the list, something like "hey -- I notice that max 5 uses *computers* -- I can't do my work THAT way", but then it occurred to me that I do believe that interface choices can profoundly affect how we work. Usually when I'm beating this particular dead horse I'm talking about things like the "interface" presented by rtcmix vs. max vs. csound vs. supercollider, but even tiny choices can make a big difference. The truly wonderful thing about configurable machines (like *computers*) is that we now have the freedom to design the interface we'd like to use for how we think about music. Simple example: choosing to specify frequency for an interface as frequency or as MIDI note # will have a very big influence on the kind of music done using that interface. "Oho!" you say, "All I would need to do is to use [mtof] or [ftom] to do the conversion, then I can work with the pitch-specification I want!" Well... the point here is that if the rounded-corners REALLY annoy you but you still want the core functionality (and the new features) of max, you can change it. Maybe jsui? Or mxj? Even a simple [patcher]-like object with the happy old rectangles would allow you to imbed all the new stuff in the old look-n-feel. It shouldn't be that hard to do. And the thing is, it is indeed possible to do this. For all the any-sound-imaginable rhetoric that surrounds new music technology, it is the ability to instantiate our conceptions of music IN the instruments we use that is the most revolutionary change wrought by this stuff. brad http://music.columbia.edu/~brad From list at ericsinger.com Thu Nov 1 19:59:35 2007 From: list at ericsinger.com (Eric Singer) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:12:04 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] [mxj net.udp.send] to accept raw data (Art-Net development) In-Reply-To: <1AFB05F7-7F86-473C-A250-0377B8B937CC@club-internet.fr> References: <1AFB05F7-7F86-473C-A250-0377B8B937CC@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: I'm having a big problem with this now. I need to send binary data to a non-Max receiver. I recoded net.udp.send simply to accept ints, put them in a DatagramPacket and send them on a DatagramSocket. Unfortunately, there appears to be a Java bug that causes it to drop packets every so often. I've only tested on my PB G4 Aluminum, in 10.3.9, but plan to test on another machine to see if I get different results. Any other insight would be greatly appreciated. Eric At 12:48 AM +0100 10/29/07, Philippe Montemont wrote: >Hello List, > >Is there a way that [mxj net.udp.send] and [mxj net.udp.recv] send >or receive data as raw-bytes (binary 0-255), as aka.datagram does? >My problem is that I need to send/receive a list of 530 items and >aka.datagram does not support this list size... >Any ideas? >Thanks very much for help. >Philippe_______________________________________________ >maxmsp mailing list >maxmsp@cycling74.com >http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From lists at meisderu.com Fri Nov 2 00:02:35 2007 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Fri Nov 2 00:02:38 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Can Max search through subfolders? Message-ID: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> My idea is to create a percussion patch with samplers that could randomly load samples from my large sound effects library. Is there a way to have the patch randomly choose from a sound in a subfolder if I point it to the harddrive? In other words, max would have to search for all the sound files at the ends of all the subfolders. Thanks! Ben From queglay at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 2 00:42:08 2007 From: queglay at yahoo.co.uk (blairell) Date: Fri Nov 2 00:42:12 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] cycling site wnt search Message-ID: <1d404.472ac6bf@www.cycling74.com> for some reason i get "forbidden" when i try to search on this forum. no idea why. From queglay at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 2 01:00:10 2007 From: queglay at yahoo.co.uk (blairell) Date: Fri Nov 2 01:00:14 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random crashing - used to be fine Message-ID: <1d406.472acaf9@www.cycling74.com> hey guys. i made this patch, which i have been using solidly for a few months without any problems. for some reason now though i get random crashing when using it within about 10 minutes and i just cant nail why. max just disapears without any warning. it doesn't happen with any other patches though. From ngwese-list at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 2 01:11:35 2007 From: ngwese-list at sbcglobal.net (Greg Wuller) Date: Fri Nov 2 01:11:41 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] ANN: capy external for interfacing with Symbolic Sound's Capybara Message-ID: For those out there looking to control Symbolic Sound Corporation's Kyma/Capybara system from Max on your shiny new Intel Mac (or PPC), look no further. The [capy] external follows in the grand footsteps of the [flame] external by allowing Max/MSP to communicate with the Capybara directly via its Flame Firewire interface. To the [flame] feature set, [capy] adds: - Send controller values using event names or controller numbers. - Object parameters exposed as attributes. - Universal Binary support. It is know to work with: - Max/MSP 4.6.3 (and Jitter 1.6.3) - Mac OS X 10.4.9+ and 10.5, Intel or PowerPC - Kyma X.45 and up - Flame firmware from 11 April 2007. To get it wander over to the InterfacingWithOtherSoftwareHardware section of the "k y m a ? t w e a k y ? the kyma collective" site. http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Share/WebHome Cheers, -greg From alljvkr at jvkr.nl Fri Nov 2 02:06:30 2007 From: alljvkr at jvkr.nl (jvkr) Date: Fri Nov 2 02:06:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random crashing - used to be fine In-Reply-To: <1d406.472acaf9@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d40a.472ada86@www.cycling74.com> The ten minutes might indicate that some memory leaking away. Did you recently update max or a third party external? _ johan From bredex at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 02:24:18 2007 From: bredex at gmail.com (Brede Rørstad) Date: Fri Nov 2 02:24:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] MIDI clock problems Message-ID: <1d40b.472adeaf@www.cycling74.com> I've been trying to find a way to have Max/MSP send a (steady) clock signal to my Boss RC-50 loopstation (or any other external midi device for that matter) so I can sync it with a playback file. I have not found any answers in the forum yet. I am using a Midisport 2x2 interface. My main need is to be able to slave my Loopstation to a bpm from Max. thanks, all! -heartfelt From mark at thought-universe.co.uk Fri Nov 2 02:43:57 2007 From: mark at thought-universe.co.uk (mark pilkington) Date: Fri Nov 2 02:44:00 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Manchester Max/MSPers In-Reply-To: <4fe55b6e0710310758t13d746ccqbc5c66522b6ffcf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d40d.472ae34c@www.cycling74.com> Hi I am based in Manchester and would also like to meet max/msp users in the area. Please drop me a line if you fancy meeting up. I have just had a mixed media installation on display at the Cube Gallery Portland Street for the past 2 months that uses max/msp/jitter called 'Synth City'. hope to hear from you soon... mark pilkington www.thought-universe.co.uk From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 03:11:47 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:11:51 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3d2.4729d171@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3d2.4729d171@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472AE9D3.5080307@addcom.de> Joshua Hemming schrieb: > I agree. In fact, Logic "sleek" design has also been dampening my > creativity, so I have decided to go back to Studio Vision Pro. I also never switched to another sequencer ever. Studio Vison Pro is still my hero. I keep my old G3 just for that. Too bad Cycling didn't overtake Vision as well... I am also missing Overture, never touched another notation program... But now I have to go the new route and get Max 5 and Live 7... I hope the new life will finally also ditch ProTools completely. I am getting closer... The final vision is to run Max 7 on a little USB-stick sized embedded Linux machine (with rounded corners), I unroll my keyboard, my screen and my speakers anywhere in the middle of nowhere and I can rock off and scare the birds (if they still exist)... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 03:19:29 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:19:37 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472AEBA1.60306@addcom.de> joshua goldberg schrieb: > i am coming to realize that the transition to rounded antialiased > objects may actually disenfranchise the crazies in our community. it's > even better than i imagined! Though the upgrade to Jitter pissed of madame Nato, I kind of miss her nasty but artistic postings, If you never take it personally, the flame wars can't burn you... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From roald.baudoux at brutele.be Fri Nov 2 03:26:09 2007 From: roald.baudoux at brutele.be (Roald Baudoux) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:26:17 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <59CFCF2B-2822-4A2A-9635-88FCD93AFADB@brutele.be> Rounded corners? Squared corners? We need no corner at all! Suppress them all otherwise I'll go back to Max 1 (alpha)! Roald Baudoux Le 01-nov.-07 ? 13:07, ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia a ?crit : > > > hello > > long time lurker > rare time poster > only during extraordinary reasons do i post > > my partner and i are a musical duo > we considered and debated very strongly if we will be upgrading to > max 5 and we have decided we will stick with max 4 because of the > rounded corners > > everything is working good in the current set up > after seeing these rounded corners i did lose all interest in max 5 > im sad to have to make this decision because im sure there will be > some good aspects to max 5 too but sometimes you have to make a > decision and stick with it > > those rounded corners are so un acceptable they overshadow any > positives max 5 might have > > im sorry it came to this > long live max 4 > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From kasper at club-internet.fr Fri Nov 2 03:35:56 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:36:06 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <59CFCF2B-2822-4A2A-9635-88FCD93AFADB@brutele.be> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <59CFCF2B-2822-4A2A-9635-88FCD93AFADB@brutele.be> Message-ID: >Rounded corners? Squared corners? > >We need no corner at all! Suppress them all otherwise I'll go back >to Max 1 (alpha)! > good idea - ftm.mess seems to have no corners already (ah those ircam guys!!, always at the forefront!!!) kasper From i_i at gmx.net Fri Nov 2 03:49:14 2007 From: i_i at gmx.net (nesa) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:49:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Can Max search through subfolders? In-Reply-To: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <0AB01CB7-530D-4C80-B168-6DA8BAE16448@gmx.net> Hi, you can use ubumenu for file selection, just adjust it's recursion depth(maximum is 512), choose a root folder + filetypes and you should be fine. It might take a while(few seconds) to populate ubumenu when you close the inspector. best, nesa On Nov 2, 2007, at 7:02 AM, ben wrote: > > My idea is to create a percussion patch with samplers that could > randomly load samples from my large sound effects library. Is there > a way to have the patch randomly choose from a sound in a subfolder > if I point it to the harddrive? In other words, max would have to > search for all the sound files at the ends of all the subfolders. > > Thanks! > > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 03:52:36 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:52:43 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] [ot] disable mouse in OS but still using as hid In-Reply-To: References: <382DF254-8D24-472D-B58B-3F59DE6FAB5A@grieffenhagen.de> <4724C854.8070806@addcom.de> <4728C0EA.4020501@addcom.de> Message-ID: <472AF364.5080302@addcom.de> Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb: > Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd > value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at the > same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan?? I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a way to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two fingers on my pad, and move the cursor if its one. Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the hardware obviously is capable of multitouch... For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it as important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if someone gets it going... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From lossius at bek.no Fri Nov 2 03:58:17 2007 From: lossius at bek.no (Trond Lossius) Date: Fri Nov 2 03:58:27 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> References: <1d3ce.4729c191@www.cycling74.com> <8C5DEF10-465C-47C7-B2D0-0BB448D26F84@gmil.com> <472A0E4B.2050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472AF4B9.2000800@bek.no> With all due respect, I'm a bit surprised at the heated emotions about rounded. To me rounded corners does not make much of a difference. After a few weeks use we will probably never think of it, we1'll be focusing on what we actually do, in the same way as with the transition from OS9 to OSX on the Mac platform. When occasionally booting into OS9 one might regret the waist of pixels in OSX, but on the other hand we have to accept the fact that increase in screen resolution is not only used for physically larger screens, but also for screens with denser pixel distributions while remaining the same size. So stuff demanding more pixels than before has to be expected, making it easier on our eyes, but a bit more heavy on the processor and GPU. But then again, it is easier to upgrade and substitute computers than eyes. The really important and great issue to me about Max5 is that which I will never see: The reworking of underlying code to ensure that further maintenance, ports to ever new platforms and future development can happen. Improved useability, user-frienliness, productivity and not the least documentation are all very welcome, but I would personally be willing to pay for an upgrade just for the foresightedness of this maintenance of the code at the core of the program. That's what ensure that I'll be able to keep working and developing what I'm doing over the next 20 years. Best, Trond f.e wrote: > Yeah yeah. Go forward with your silly jokes, mates. > > BUT we're actually a bunch of guys (more than you think) really really > not happy at all with these ugly rounded corners. > > This is not a joke. We're really pissed off. > > There's no way to compare our reaction to "let's go back to OS9" and > such crap, it's just silly. This is not even a matter of taste. C74 > shouldn't have tried to fix what was already working. > > Fancy antialiasing doesn't NEED to be round, correct me if i'm wrong. > > People who wants to play with ugly softwares got plenty of choices all > around. You want your rounded corners ? You'll have it, so don't mess in > our complains. > > We're seriously asking for an extra option to have RECTANGULAR CORNERS. From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 04:05:31 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:05:34 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Speeding up an event with no pitch shift In-Reply-To: <1d3eb.472a225d@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3eb.472a225d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472AF66B.3060904@addcom.de> phil schrieb: > All I want to do is to have control on the speed of an event. i.e. a > single piano key struck is an event which can rhythmically be sped up > and slowed down without having it?s pitch altered. When done fast > enough it becomes a single note again. Right. But I am surprised the > see that sample playback react more like a vinyl or tape deck player. If you record some notes into a single buffer~, the buffer doesn't know anything about events. If you really want to have the same effect as a piano played faster, each single keystroke of the piano isn't playing the piano sound faster, its only triggering faster. That's a fundamental difference... So better you look at a Midi/event kind of control. What you want is a sequencer, not a tape recorder... > At this point I start getting lost, and sort only got the grasp that > this was somewhat like granular synthesis. Maybe? It's different, but you could look at it that way as well... ;-) > I accomplish this in ableton live simply by selecting a sample and > bringing the BPM way up to 999. Yes, you are playing repeatedly a sampler, with a single short sample as opposed to playing a single long recorded piece of multiple sounds... Hope that helps... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From mhatsys at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 04:08:34 2007 From: mhatsys at gmail.com (mHatsys) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:08:38 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Interpolating MIDI values In-Reply-To: <1d353.4728407f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d419.472af720@www.cycling74.com> Quote: seejayjames wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 02:44 ---------------------------------------------------- > ...calculus only if you're reeeeal into it. > > You can use a function with the expr object, or play with the exponent of the scale object (something like "scale 0 41 0 127 1.02" might work). But more fun and a lot more flexible is to use a table with 42 points on the X and 128 (0 - 127) on the Y. Draw the curve (or other wackiness) that you want, then the incoming values (0 - 41) trigger the Y values. Draw additional tables for the other two zones if you want them to respond differently... Preset also works with tables, as does pattr, so you can save different curves and switch them on the fly. Lots of musicality there. > > To make the in-between values, use an integer-based line object on the table's output Y values. Tweak the line time and time grain values to what you want -- you can easily make these settable too (more responsive / jerky with short times, or more smooth / sloppy with longer ones). This will fill in the missing values, to whatever degree you want, and can make "beats" of the changing values --- try a 1000 ms line and a 250 ms time grain, you get 4 250 ms "steps" in your values. > > I'd like one a them ribbon controllers too... > have fun > > --CJ ---------------------------------------------------- Big Thanks...Tables work perfectly for this and as you said you can play with the curves! really funfor sweep fex. also i get to play with a new data structure... gonna look into the line object now but the stepped effect generated by missing cc values sounds really cool on some setups. From davidestevens at mac.com Fri Nov 2 04:11:26 2007 From: davidestevens at mac.com (David Stevens) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:10:28 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Support In-Reply-To: <784A5D0C-76CB-462B-97AB-108D7EB91858@mac.com> References: <1d3d1.4729ccc6@www.cycling74.com> <784A5D0C-76CB-462B-97AB-108D7EB91858@mac.com> Message-ID: <18BD5063-0675-45E4-B06C-F86053F7A3E7@mac.com> hi Hans, Do you have the APE on your mac? There's an issue with anything less than the very latest version that causes problems with X.5. I had problems installing X.5 on my one remaining G5 - the install process seemed to freeze on a blue screen (blue screen of death???) near the end of the install. I eventually did a back up and reinstall (which is actually what I normally do - I was being lazy), and finally got it working - though the last part of the process seemed to take ages. HTH David > On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Hans Mittendorf wrote: > >> >> after asking this list about problems were the answer was non, I >> installed it on a G5 2.5 MGZ and Max crashes loading! >> Mail crashes loading many other apps do not work. >> I even had a message at the end of the installation procedure: >> your Mac could not be upgraded!!! But it launches into X.5.... >> Ouch >> Anyone heared of this before? From kasper at club-internet.fr Fri Nov 2 04:10:23 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:10:37 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] [ot] disable mouse in OS but still using as hid In-Reply-To: <472AF364.5080302@addcom.de> References: <382DF254-8D24-472D-B58B-3F59DE6FAB5A@grieffenhagen.de> <4724C854.8070806@addcom.de> <4728C0EA.4020501@addcom.de> <472AF364.5080302@addcom.de> Message-ID: >Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb: >>Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd >>value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at >>the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan?? > >I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a >way to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two >fingers on my pad, and move the cursor if its one. > >Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi >don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the >hardware obviously is capable of multitouch... > >For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it >as important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if >someone gets it going... ;-) the track pad is my favourite expression tool (and i bought and had custom-made a LOT of midi/usb devices, including sensors and web cams) but when talking about teh values hi receives from the trackpad, you are right i can receive 3 differents "streams" of them, but it's either 2 at a time (which seem to be the "normal" track pad x-y) OR the 3rd one (the extra finger) but no way (at least on my computer) to receive all 3 at the same time, and worse to receive the 3rd one when I use the track pad the usual way.. since the 2nd finger started to work on my Pbook, only with the help of iScroll app (it is not "standart" as it is on some newer macs) my question here is if on your machine you can vary the values of all 3 streams at the same time many thanks best kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 04:11:31 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:11:39 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: How to apply oo within Max In-Reply-To: <1d3f1.472a457e@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d3f1.472a457e@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472AF7D3.7030807@addcom.de> John Pitcairn schrieb: > And you still have the problem that everything is public. Yes it is, but those objects which don't have the information can't access it anyway... ;-) The #0_arguments will create unique names... Under the hood of a "real" oo language also all is public in a way... You can hide the #0 part for the user, and that way it isn't really public... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From julienbreval at free.fr Fri Nov 2 04:14:07 2007 From: julienbreval at free.fr (julienbreval) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:14:11 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Glass Maker In-Reply-To: <1d311.47275744@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d41d.472af86d@www.cycling74.com> About distorsion : actually it refers to various non-linear FXs, not only to the usual guitar distorsion Some examples that work immediately in Max/MSP: - "harsh" distorsion - [clip~ -0.1 0.1]--->[*~ 10.] - less harsh - [clip~ -0.4 0.4]--->[*~ 2.5] - "guitar" distorsion - [overdrive~] (see the help file) - "generic" distorsion - [lookup~] (to be used with a buffer~] - bad use of a compressor About amplitude modulation: you can mute and unmute the sound, periodically or not, usually every 10 to 70 ms. Alternatively you can control the level of the sound with a sinuso?d, triangle or another oscillator ... Warning, if the modulation is too slow, you will get a tremolo-like effect. FM is slightly more difficult to apply in realtime. The simplest way to do it if you don't have many time is to record a sample and then play it at an oscillating speed. Warning, for some tunings of modulation speed and modulation depth, you will get a vibrato-like effect. About granulators: yes, you may want to have a look at Curtis Roads' "Microsound". You can start with a combination of amplitude modulation (for cutting the sound sometimes) and a delay line in which the delay time changes randomly (normally, you will want to remove the Doppler effect so change the time as fast as possible when there is no sound). From kasper at club-internet.fr Fri Nov 2 04:26:44 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:26:54 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random: whatever you want but mosty this Message-ID: hi Working on a new piece, I don't know how to resolve (patch-wise) one of its indications: it says: "play any notes/frequencies in the given range (300-900hz) but mostly in the higher register" doing it by hand with a patch (or on an instrument) is really easy, every one understands the idea. Now i don't find how to start the patching, so that it could be played by max alone choosing somathing at random in the 300-900 range is obvious forcing the higher range of this ambitus is easy as well (say random 600 - 900) but "mostly" the high range (which means than sometimes, at random, a low frequency could be chosen as well)??? a pointer to some kind of logic or some (max)-tools would be very welcome (it's very possible there's a simple way - i just can not think about one right now.....) many thanks kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart From gaussroms at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 04:27:30 2007 From: gaussroms at gmail.com (petterdass) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:27:35 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Save subpatches as externals In-Reply-To: <1d3d3.4729d32d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d41f.472afb92@www.cycling74.com> Thanks alot, but i dont get my head around this... Im trying to save my patches as mxt. or pat. and i put them in a folder that is recognized in max searchpath (file preferences) I then restart max, open a new patch, choose an object box and write the name on the patch i saved. This is obviously not the way to do it :) Thanks From owen at owengreen.net Fri Nov 2 04:43:51 2007 From: owen at owengreen.net (Owen Green) Date: Fri Nov 2 04:44:03 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472AFF67.4020500@owengreen.net> Hi Kasper, A probability distribution that's skewed towards the upper end should be your friend here - do you have a copy of Litter? -- Owen Kasper T Toeplitz wrote: > hi > > Working on a new piece, I don't know how to resolve (patch-wise) one of > its indications: > > it says: > > "play any notes/frequencies in the given range (300-900hz) but mostly > in the higher register" > From karrrlo at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 05:26:13 2007 From: karrrlo at yahoo.com (karl-otto von oertzen) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:26:18 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1d421.472b0955@www.cycling74.com> [table] is your friend. Quote: Kasper T Toeplitz wrote on Fri, 02 November 2007 11:26 ---------------------------------------------------- > hi > > Working on a new piece, I don't know how to resolve (patch-wise) one > of its indications: > > it says: > > "play any notes/frequencies in the given range (300-900hz) but > mostly in the higher register" > > doing it by hand with a patch (or on an instrument) is really easy, > every one understands the idea. Now i don't find how to start the > patching, so that it could be played by max alone > > choosing somathing at random in the 300-900 range is obvious > > forcing the higher range of this ambitus is easy as well (say random 600 - 900) > > but "mostly" the high range (which means than sometimes, at random, a > low frequency could be chosen as well)??? > > > a pointer to some kind of logic or some (max)-tools would be very welcome > > (it's very possible there's a simple way - i just can not think about > one right now.....) > > many thanks > > kasper > -- > Kasper T. Toeplitz > noise, composition, bass, computer > http://www.sleazeArt.com > > http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart > > ---------------------------------------------------- -- karrrlo From gaussroms at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 05:33:11 2007 From: gaussroms at gmail.com (petterdass) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:33:20 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: presetbox and loadbang in every subpatch to init? In-Reply-To: <1cfee.4719eeb7@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d422.472b0af7@www.cycling74.com> Thanks alot ,spliff but i dont understand your patch... If you (or anyone) could also explain the pattrstorage module i will be very happy!! (superhappy) Im going to use it in an additive synthesis patch for "morphing" between loads of cycle~ pitch and amplitube values. Have a nice weekend!! From pcastine at gmx.net Fri Nov 2 05:41:43 2007 From: pcastine at gmx.net (Peter Castine) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:41:50 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472AF4B9.2000800@bek.no> Message-ID: <1d423.472b0cf6@www.cycling74.com> I was about to respond about halfway through the thread, then I made it to the end and saw that Trond said most of what I wanted to say. The new look doesn’t bother me at all. Which is a bit ironic considering that I've griped extensively about every single change to the look that Apple has introduced to Mac OS--System 5, System 6, System 7, System 8, OS 9, OS X.1, X.2, etc. I’ve also been pretty down on every look-and-feel change MS introduced in the history of Windows. Compared to Reaktor, the Max 5 look seems fairly restrained. Compared to Pd _anything_ looks more aesthetic. I've got bigger things to worry about then whether the corners are round or not. And if it is such a big issue for a UI, we’ve still got imageburgers, don’t we? -- P. -- Peter Castine Next Concerts: Sat 4 Nov 5:00pm, Apostel-Paulus Kirche, Berlin-Hermsdorf and Sun 5 Nov 7:30 pm, Centre Bagatelle, Zeltinger Str. 6, Berlin-Frohnau both performances with Lillevan From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 05:42:26 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:42:35 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Can Max search through subfolders? In-Reply-To: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472B0D22.1040704@addcom.de> ben schrieb: > My idea is to create a percussion patch with samplers that could > randomly load samples from my large sound effects library. Is there a > way to have the patch randomly choose from a sound in a subfolder if > I point it to the harddrive? In other words, max would have to search > for all the sound files at the ends of all the subfolders. With ubumenu's prefix you can fill a ubumenu with all sounds of a folder. By defining the recursion depth in the inspector, you can tell it to search recursively through subfolders... If you know the length of you ubumenu, you can setup a random to randomly choose sounds from the ubumenu... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri Nov 2 05:46:31 2007 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:46:41 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random crashing - used to be fine In-Reply-To: <1d406.472acaf9@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d406.472acaf9@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <472B0E17.8030309@addcom.de> blairell schrieb: > max just disapears without any warning. it doesn't happen with any > other patches though. I bet you are running Max on an embedded Linux machine... (read: provide us at least with some details about OS, versions, 3rd party externs used and alike...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From pcastine at gmx.net Fri Nov 2 05:58:54 2007 From: pcastine at gmx.net (Peter Castine) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:58:58 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> Hi Kasper, Litter has lots of Random Number Generators that will give you "mostly upper half" or whatever tendency you want. The easiest might be lp.linnie (triangular distribution). Another useful one is lp.abbie, which will give you lots of different shapes in a bounded range. Abbie’s output is in the unit range (zero to one), so you would pass the output through something like [lp.scampf map 0 1 300 900]. I’d suggest looking at lp.abbie.help, play with the parameters and see what the output curves look like. Also, if you've got a very CPU hungry patch (knowing you, the answer is ouais) abbie can be pretty CPU-intense itself (depending on parameters). Lp.swamy uses simpler calculations to generate a distribution very close to abbie. -- Peter Castine Next Concerts: Sat 4 Nov 5:00pm, Apostel-Paulus Kirche, Berlin-Hermsdorf and Sun 5 Nov 7:30 pm, Centre Bagatelle, Zeltinger Str. 6, Berlin-Frohnau both performances with Lillevan From pcastine at gmx.net Fri Nov 2 06:04:33 2007 From: pcastine at gmx.net (Peter Castine) Date: Fri Nov 2 06:04:36 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d428.472b1251@www.cycling74.com> May I suggest [lp.abbie 3.5 2] -> [lp.scampf map 0 1 300 900] With all respect to karrrlo, this is probably more CPU efficient than banging a table with several hunderd data points and a hand-drawn distribution curve. -- Peter Castine Next Concerts: Sat 4 Nov 5:00pm, Apostel-Paulus Kirche, Berlin-Hermsdorf and Sun 5 Nov 7:30 pm, Centre Bagatelle, Zeltinger Str. 6, Berlin-Frohnau both performances with Lillevan From karrrlo at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 07:08:27 2007 From: karrrlo at yahoo.com (karl-otto von oertzen) Date: Fri Nov 2 07:08:30 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: <1d428.472b1251@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d429.472b214b@www.cycling74.com> indeed Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Fri, 02 November 2007 13:04 ---------------------------------------------------- > May I suggest [lp.abbie 3.5 2] -> [lp.scampf map 0 1 300 900] > > With all respect to karrrlo, this is probably more CPU efficient than banging a table with several hunderd data points and a hand-drawn distribution curve. ---------------------------------------------------- -- karrrlo From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Fri Nov 2 07:16:14 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jacopo Carreras) Date: Fri Nov 2 07:17:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] MIDI clock problems In-Reply-To: <1d40b.472adeaf@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d40b.472adeaf@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <8E4E8CD1-7ECC-4012-9FCF-1E3991D2C97D@lan-muzic.com> sync~ On Nov 2, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Brede R?rstad wrote: > > I've been trying to find a way to have Max/MSP send a (steady) > clock signal to my Boss RC-50 loopstation (or any other external > midi device for that matter) so I can sync it with a playback file. > I have not found any answers in the forum yet. > > I am using a Midisport 2x2 interface. My main need is to be able to > slave my Loopstation to a bpm from Max. > > thanks, all! > > -heartfelt > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/attachments/20071102/fe5421d2/attachment.htm From peimankhosravi at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 07:38:25 2007 From: peimankhosravi at gmail.com (Peiman Khosravi) Date: Fri Nov 2 07:38:33 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: why we will not use max 5 In-Reply-To: <472AE9D3.5080307@addcom.de> References: <1d3d2.4729d171@www.cycling74.com> <472AE9D3.5080307@addcom.de> Message-ID: <125371DF-6097-4548-B886-90B2648A78CD@gmil.com> I would definitely recommend ditching protools. I managed to do it last month. DP is great and all the plugins that come with it are so much more functional (and better quality) than pt's. Though there is something to be said about pt's simplified interface. P On 2 Nov 2007, at 09:11, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Joshua Hemming schrieb: >> I agree. In fact, Logic "sleek" design has also been dampening my >> creativity, so I have decided to go back to Studio Vision Pro. > > I also never switched to another sequencer ever. Studio Vison Pro > is still my hero. I keep my old G3 just for that. Too bad Cycling > didn't overtake Vision as well... > I am also missing Overture, never touched another notation program... > > But now I have to go the new route and get Max 5 and Live 7... > I hope the new life will finally also ditch ProTools completely. I > am getting closer... > > The final vision is to run Max 7 on a little USB-stick sized > embedded Linux machine (with rounded corners), I unroll my > keyboard, my screen and my speakers anywhere in the middle of > nowhere and I can rock off and scare the birds (if they still > exist)... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From lists at meisderu.com Fri Nov 2 08:52:31 2007 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:53:12 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Can Max search through subfolders? In-Reply-To: <1d401.472abd78@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d42d.472b39ad@www.cycling74.com> OMG guys, that is perfect! Works like a charm. Thanks (again) for your continued help. Ben From keithmanlove at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:15:19 2007 From: keithmanlove at gmail.com (keith manlove) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:15:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64ab801a0711020815p7ef38499kf9e0efa8494686e5@mail.gmail.com> > choosing somathing at random in the 300-900 range is obvious > > forcing the higher range of this ambitus is easy as well (say random 600 - 900) > > but "mostly" the high range (which means than sometimes, at random, a > low frequency could be chosen as well)??? I would just do something like below. Keith #P number 28 212 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 43 146 37 196617 + 600; #P newex 43 125 64 196617 random 300; #P newex 28 189 37 196617 + 300; #P newex 28 168 64 196617 random 300; #P newex 28 103 41 196617 sel 0 1; #P button 28 39 15 0; #P newex 28 58 58 196617 random 10; #N vtable 10 20 74 230 241 979716 2; #T set 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1; #P newobj 28 80 32 196617 table; #P connect 2 0 1 0; #P connect 1 0 0 0; #P connect 0 0 3 0; #P connect 3 0 4 0; #P connect 4 0 5 0; #P connect 7 0 8 0; #P connect 5 0 8 0; #P connect 3 1 6 0; #P connect 6 0 7 0; From kasper at club-internet.fr Fri Nov 2 09:22:33 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:22:46 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: > >Litter has lots of Random Number Generators that will give you >"mostly upper half" or whatever tendency you want. as usual - litter (i should have known) will give it a try immediately merci kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart From keithmanlove at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:27:57 2007 From: keithmanlove at gmail.com (keith manlove) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:28:02 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Max/MSP - ready for Mac OS X 10.5? In-Reply-To: References: <47278D15.8080200@cycling74.com> Message-ID: <64ab801a0711020827v3337f4f8r3cca068c3a573de8@mail.gmail.com> > And with major updates like from 10.4 to 10.5, it's a good idea to save the > whole 10.4 install, and to install 10.5 from scratch then all applications > again. Sorry to keep this going, but have problems been on intel macs or ppc or both? I'm on a ppc, and I haven't noticed anyone specifying. I know I should wait until some gigs are over, but I'm clearly anxious. If anyone's had ppc success, please let me know. Thanks, Keith From kasper at club-internet.fr Fri Nov 2 09:37:33 2007 From: kasper at club-internet.fr (Kasper T Toeplitz) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:38:29 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> References: <1d427.472b10fd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: > Lp.swamy uses simpler calculations to generate a distribution very >close to abbie. > > lp.swamy ???? how come i never heard of it (and don't have it)??? is there a copy for ppc of it??? (by ppc i mean max 457, still not on 4.6) thanks kasper From joseph.diponio at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 09:38:24 2007 From: joseph.diponio at gmail.com (Joseph) Date: Fri Nov 2 09:38:37 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Max/MSP - ready for Mac OS X 10.5? In-Reply-To: <64ab801a0711020827v3337f4f8r3cca068c3a573de8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d432.472b446e@www.cycling74.com> My problems are on both an Intel laptop and a ppc tower. I downloaded and installed Max 4.6 and all was fin but Max 4.3 still won't open. I really can't afford to upgrade so I'll probably just go back to 10.4. From cbm at well.com Fri Nov 2 10:25:43 2007 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:25:53 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] random: whatever you want but mosty this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:26 AM +0100 11/2/07, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote: >(it's very possible there's a simple way - i just can not think about one right now.....) Table can be treated as a probability table, where the data at any step is the probability that it will be output when the table is banged. At these sizes, it might not be too efficient, as it sums the table with each bang. #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P hidden message 227 89 30 196617 open; #P hidden newex 227 70 48 196617 loadbang; #P comment 115 51 137 196617 (a lot of number \, be patient); #N vpatcher 506 166 815 453; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P comment 69 232 56 196617 New value; #P comment 190 40 77 196617 Previous value; #P newex 106 161 30 196617 pack; #P window linecount 0; #P newex 174 106 27 196617 + 1; #P inlet 174 39 15 0; #P newex 23 63 40 196617 t b i i; #P outlet 53 231 15 0; #N comlet Number; #P inlet 23 40 15 0; #P comment 148 187 107 196617 I can't remember why I didn't use Histo here.; #P comment 41 40 44 196617 Number; #P connect 2 0 4 0; #P connect 7 0 3 0; #P connect 4 2 3 0; #P connect 4 1 7 0; #P connect 6 0 7 1; #P connect 5 0 6 0; #P pop; #P newobj 54 185 67 196617 p tableInc; #P comment 124 129 124 196617 <- a table of probabilities; #P comment 81 33 172 196617 <- hit me to generate some numbers; #P button 54 33 15 0; #P newex 54 50 56 196617 uzi 30000; #P button 54 109 15 0; #P comment 123 234 140 196617 <- open to look at the results; #P message 69 210 33 196617 clear; #N vtable 1000 25 678 1152 859 1 128 results; #P newobj 54 231 67 196617 table results; #N vtable 1000 32 469 1150 656 17 128 probs2; #T set 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #T set 128 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #T set 256 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 28 28 29 29 29 29 29 29 30 30 30 30 30 30 31 31 31 31 31 31 32 32 32 32 32 32 33 33 33 33 33 33 34 34 34 34 34 34 35 35 35 35 35 35 36 36 36 36 36 36 37 37 37 37 37 37 38 38 38 38 38 38 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 40 40 40 40 40 40 41 41 41 41 41 41 42 42; #T set 384 42 42 42 42 43 43 43 43 43 43 44 44 44 44 44 44 45 45 45 45 45 45 46 46 46 46 46 46 47 47 47 47 47 47 48 48 48 48 48 48 49 49 49 49 49 49 50 50 50 50 50 50 51 51 51 51 51 51 52 52 52 52 52 52 53 53 53 53 53 53 54 54 54 54 54 54 54 55 55 55 55 55 55 56 56 56 56 56 56 57 57 57 57 57 57 58 58 58 58 58 58 59 59 59 59 59 59 60 60 60 60 60 60 61 61 61 61 61 61 62 62 62 62 62 62 63 63 63; #T set 512 63 63 63 64 64 64 64 64 64 65 65 65 65 65 65 66 66 66 66 66 66 67 67 67 67 67 67 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 69 69 69 69 69 69 70 70 70 70 70 70 71 71 71 71 71 71 72 72 72 72 72 72 73 73 73 73 73 73 74 74 74 74 74 74 75 75 75 75 75 75 76 76 76 76 76 76 77 77 77 77 77 77 78 78 78 78 78 78 79 79 79 79 79 79 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 81 81 81 81 82 82 82 82 82 82 83 83 83 83 83 83 83 84 84 84; #T set 640 84 84 84 85 85 85 85 85 85 86 86 86 86 86 86 87 87 87 87 87 87 88 88 88 88 88 88 89 89 89 89 89 89 90 90 90 90 90 90 91 91 91 91 91 91 92 92 92 92 92 92 93 93 93 93 93 93 94 94 94 94 94 94 95 95 95 95 95 95 96 96 96 96 96 96 97 97 97 97 97 97 98 98 98 98 98 98 98 99 99 99 99 99 99 100 100 100 100 100 100 101 101 101 101 101 101 102 102 102 102 102 102 103 103 103 103 103 103 104 104 104 104 104 104 105 105 105 105; #T set 768 105 105 106 106 106 106 106 106 107 107 107 107 107 107 108 108 108 108 108 108 109 109 109 109 109 109 110 110 110 110 110 110 111 111 111 111 111 111 112 112 112 112 112 112 112 113 113 113 113 113 113 114 114 114 114 114 114 115 115 115 115 115 115 116 116 116 116 116 116 117 117 117 117 117 117 118 118 118 118 118 118 119 119 119 119 119 119 120 120 120 120 120 120 121 121 121 121 121 121 122 122 122 122 122 122 123 123 123 123 123 123 124 124 124 124 124 124 125 125 125 125 125 125 126 126 126 126 126; #T set 896 126 127 127 127 127 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #P newobj 54 128 66 196617 table probs2; #P connect 6 0 5 0; #P connect 5 0 4 0; #P hidden connect 12 0 0 0; #P connect 4 0 0 0; #P connect 0 0 9 0; #P hidden connect 12 0 1 0; #P connect 2 0 1 0; #P connect 9 0 1 0; #P fasten 1 0 9 1 59 256 45 256 45 172 112 172 116 174; #P lcolor 7; #P hidden connect 11 0 12 0; #P window clipboard copycount 13; -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From pnyboer at slambassador.com Fri Nov 2 10:29:12 2007 From: pnyboer at slambassador.com (pnyboer) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:29:22 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] remaking swatch (sorta): xy data into rgb data? Message-ID: <1d435.472b5057@www.cycling74.com> i need to make a simple color picker of a fixed size. My thought is to have an image of the swatch in a pictslider, and I can use xy data to create rgb values. The question is - how do i map the coordinates into RGB? What's the function? -- * * * * The Altamont 2 oz light rum 3/4 oz lime juice 1/2 oz orange cura?ao 1/4 oz orgeat splash of pernod handful of fresh mint leaves shake contents vigorously with ice. Strain well into a chilled cocktail glass. * * * * From cjlacke at ilstu.edu Fri Nov 2 10:35:50 2007 From: cjlacke at ilstu.edu (Seejay James) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:35:52 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Interpolating MIDI values In-Reply-To: <1d419.472af720@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d436.472b51e4@www.cycling74.com> That's great... tables are really handy. Wish you could colorize them, but hey. The bang out the right outlet when the table is edited allows you to make "undo" states too, if you want... bang to counter, store $1 stores an incrementing preset of the table contents. Can be very handy, and then you can choose any of your previous states. Put a gate after the bang so you can choose whether to make undos at a given time. Especially useful for things like note selections, or creating a bunch of different curves. See patch below for an example. The line isn't totally straightforward, read the help file carefully (sometimes some trickery is needed to get just what you want). It's very useful though. Talking about data structures, look into pattr as soon as possible. This is real power for your data! mtr is also fantastic and very useful... as an example, using mtr to record changing pattr access values is an easy way to get all kinds of changing parameters... dozens if you want... Have fun, CJ ------------------------- #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 14.; #P window linecount 1; #P comment 113 31 236 9109518 access presets by number; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P message 63 118 51 9109513 set \$1; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 14.; #P number 64 31 44 14 1 256 3 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P message 132 56 77 9109518 clearall; #P number 215 263 44 14 1 256 3 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P comment 349 239 153 9109518 256 max presets; #P number 139 173 44 14 0 127 3 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P number 139 97 44 14 0 127 3 139 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P button 273 202 21 0; #N counter 1 256; #X flags 0 0; #P newobj 215 235 128 9109518 counter 1 256; #P newex 215 199 50 9109518 gate; #P toggle 215 166 24 0; #P message 216 288 77 9109518 store \$1; #N vpreset 10; #X append 1 1 1 133 139 table set 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #X append 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #X append 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #X append 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 \;; #X append 2 1 1 133 139 table set 0 0 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 6 7 8 9 10 10 11 12 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 21 22 23 23 25 26 27 28; #X append 2 1 29 29 31 32 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 53 54 55 55 56 58 59 59 60 61 62 63 64 65; #X append 2 1 66 67 68 69 70 71 71 73 74 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 86 88 89 90 91 92 93 93 94 95 97 98 100 101 101 103 104 105; #X append 2 1 106 108 109 110 111 112 115 116 117 119 120 121 123 127 \;; #X append 3 1 1 133 139 table set 0 108 108 109 109 109 109 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 109 109 109 108 107 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 99 98 96 94 91; #X append 3 1 90 87 84 79 74 70 67 64 62 61 60 58 57 56 56 55 55 55 55 55 55 56 56 56 57 57 57 58 58 59 59 60 61 61 62 62 63 63 64 65; #X append 3 1 65 66 66 66 66 67 67 67 67 67 67 66 66 65 65 64 64 63 62 61 60 58 57 55 53 52 49 48 45 43 41 39 37 34 33 31 29 27 25 24; #X append 3 1 21 19 16 13 12 10 9 7 5 4 3 1 0 0 \;; #X append 4 1 1 133 139 table set 0 108 33 34 34 35 35 35 36 37 37 37 38 38 38 38 39 39 39 39 39 39 40 40 40 40 40 40 41 41 41 41 41 42 42; #X append 4 1 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 41 41 41 40 40 39 39 39 39 38 38 38 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 38 38 39 39 39 40 40 41; #X append 4 1 41 42 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 51 52 53 54 55 56 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 69 70 71 73 73 75 77 78 80 80 82 83 85 86; #X append 4 1 88 89 91 93 95 97 99 101 103 106 110 112 116 127 \;; #P preset 64 56 58 58; #N vtable 128 633 134 1076 533 999901 128 undo; #P newobj 139 133 115 9109518 table undo 1; #P comment 300 205 123 9109518 restart undos; #P hidden connect 13 0 2 0; #P hidden connect 14 0 2 0; #P hidden connect 2 1 14 0; #P hidden connect 12 0 2 0; #P hidden connect 2 0 1 0; #P hidden connect 11 0 3 0; #P hidden connect 6 0 11 0; #P hidden connect 1 0 9 0; #P hidden connect 8 0 1 0; #P hidden fasten 3 0 2 0 51 288 51 42; #P hidden connect 5 0 6 0; #P hidden connect 7 0 6 2; #P hidden connect 4 0 5 0; #P hidden connect 1 1 5 1; #P window clipboard copycount 16; From cjlacke at ilstu.edu Fri Nov 2 10:41:34 2007 From: cjlacke at ilstu.edu (Seejay James) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:41:39 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: remaking swatch (sorta): xy data into rgb data? In-Reply-To: <1d435.472b5057@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d437.472b533e@www.cycling74.com> No need for a function. Use the oft-overlooked "sucka" object in the palette (looks like a needle). Can send RGB of whatever you click on, or arbitrary screen coordinates. So you can have a nice big swatch looking any way you want, or a wheel, etc. as a picture, and just put the sucka rectangle on it. Also nice for picking colors out of images or movies. --CJ From alljvkr at jvkr.nl Fri Nov 2 10:49:21 2007 From: alljvkr at jvkr.nl (jvkr) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:49:24 2007 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: remaking swatch (sorta): xy data into rgb data? In-Reply-To: <1d435.472b5057@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1d438.472b5510@www.cycling74.com> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P message 145 259 74 196617 hsl \$1 255 \$2; #P newex 162 224 68 196617 vexpr $i1*2; #P newex 159 188 30 196617 pack; #P user swatch 151 285 108 108; #P user pictslider 141 59 100 100 4 4 4 4 SliderDefaultKnob.pct 0 SliderDefaultBkgnd.pct 0 2163 0 8323072 127 1. 1.; #P connect 4 0 1 0; #P connect 3 0 4 0; #P connect 2 0 3 0; #P connect 0 1 2 1; #P connect 0 0 2 0; #P window clipboard copycount 5; _ johan From cjlacke at ilstu.edu Fri Nov