From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 00:17:54 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 00:18:06 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max5: [hover] bug report + feature request In-Reply-To: <222f5.4818fbd0@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22317.48196092@www.cycling74.com> I suppose it's possible that hover may update a bit more slowly than it used to, but it should be updating at the same speed that hints are displayed and the rest of the UI is updated in response to mouse movement. The old version of hover was a giant CPU hog and needed to be completely rewritten for Max 5, otherwise it would have been voted off the island and not included as a standard object. If you need faster mouse tracking you'll need to do it explicitly with something like mousestate. David Z. From p.ollivier at laposte.net Thu May 1 00:23:43 2008 From: p.ollivier at laposte.net (Philippe OLLIVIER) Date: Thu May 1 00:23:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Textbutton feature request Message-ID: <4C49A6B5-9376-4C2A-BF4F-6F09FE7EFBFC@laposte.net> Hi Cycling, Thanks and congratulations for the new Max! The Textbutton is very usefull, but in order to replace the combination of ubutton and fpic, it would be nice if we had the possibility to detect both the Mouse Down and the Mouse Up. There is a lot of case where only Mouse Down or only Mouse Up is not enough. Thanks. Philippe OLLIVIER. From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 01:03:17 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 01:53:08 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max5: [hover] bug report + feature request In-Reply-To: <22317.48196092@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2231a.48196b33@www.cycling74.com> As for the patch you supplied, the problem is that hover does not know about objects who are set to ignore mouse clicks when a patcher is locked, so it does not report anything when the mouse is over the panel. In order to work around this problem, in the next update I taken your suggestion and added two new outlets to hover so you can find out the name of the object the mouse has just left as well as the name of the object the mouse enters. We might ultimately fix the ignore click issue -- we fixed it for the hint object -- but I think you'll find the exit trigger is a better approach. David Z. From philippe at mutin.org Thu May 1 01:16:05 2008 From: philippe at mutin.org (Philippe Jelli) Date: Thu May 1 01:53:17 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Big set - CPU strategy ? Message-ID: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Hi list. And quite new to MAx (6 months now) and need some assistance on a particular point. I'm currently working on the musical part of a dance performance. I have 10 different sets (patches). They all deal with real-time audio or video processing, using contact mics and/or video tracking. Now the problem is: they all work fine independently, but if i want the audio to be continuous between the scenes (making transitions), i need to load and run at least 2 patches at the same time (1 + 2 / 2 + 3 / 3 + 4 etc...) So I tried different approaches for this, the first is one mega-patch containing all ten subpatches, and muting (with mute~) all unused patches successively, but even whith muting, i have severe audio dropouts and clicks. The other approach was having a "control center" patch loading externally all the patches one after the other with always 2 sets open at the same time. (Opening nr 3 closes nr 1, opening nr 4 closes nr 2, etc...) but i also have (sometimes long) audio interruptions during loading times. So... i'm wondering if you can share some knowledge to help me solve this issue. (And oh yes... i also have to run Ableton Live in parallel to route some audio back and forth. But the problem arise even without Live) Thanks in advance ! Philippe max 4.6.3 with MBP 2,33 dualcore 2 Gb Ram From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 01:54:04 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 01:54:11 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: LCD 'getpixel x y' command has vanished in Max 5! In-Reply-To: <22316.48195b55@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2231c.4819771c@www.cycling74.com> getpixel will be back in the next update, so you can be as psycho as you wanna be. David Z. From sfogar at gmail.com Thu May 1 03:03:45 2008 From: sfogar at gmail.com (Alessandro Fogar) Date: Thu May 1 03:03:52 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> References: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Hi, with Max5 you can change dinamically the subpatch included in a poly~. So you can use two main poly~ where you change the subpatch. Don't know if this applies to video too. All the best -- Alessandro Fogar http://www.fogar.it 2008/5/1 Philippe Jelli : > > Hi list. > > And quite new to MAx (6 months now) and need some assistance on a particular point. > > I'm currently working on the musical part of a dance performance. > > I have 10 different sets (patches). They all deal with real-time audio or video processing, using contact mics and/or video tracking. > > Now the problem is: they all work fine independently, but if i want the audio to be continuous between the scenes (making transitions), i need to load and run at least 2 patches at the same time (1 + 2 / 2 + 3 / 3 + 4 etc...) > > So I tried different approaches for this, the first is one mega-patch containing all ten subpatches, and muting (with mute~) all unused patches successively, but even whith muting, i have severe audio dropouts and clicks. > > The other approach was having a "control center" patch loading externally all the patches one after the other with always 2 sets open at the same time. (Opening nr 3 closes nr 1, opening nr 4 closes nr 2, etc...) but i also have (sometimes long) audio interruptions during loading times. > > So... i'm wondering if you can share some knowledge to help me solve this issue. > > (And oh yes... i also have to run Ableton Live in parallel to route some audio back and forth. But the problem arise even without Live) > > Thanks in advance ! > > Philippe > > max 4.6.3 with MBP 2,33 dualcore 2 Gb Ram > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From gusanomaxlist at googlemail.com Thu May 1 03:18:57 2008 From: gusanomaxlist at googlemail.com (gusano) Date: Thu May 1 03:19:11 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max5: [hover] bug report + feature request In-Reply-To: <2231a.48196b33@www.cycling74.com> References: <2231a.48196b33@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <48198B01.8090608@gmail.com> David Zicarelli wrote: > ...in the next update I taken your suggestion and added two new outlets to hover so you can find out the name of the object the mouse has just left as well as the name of the object the mouse enters. We might ultimately fix the ignore click issue -- we fixed it for the hint object -- but I think you'll find the exit trigger is a better approach. Thanx ! From philippe at mutin.org Thu May 1 03:22:16 2008 From: philippe at mutin.org (Philippe Jelli) Date: Thu May 1 03:22:22 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2231f.48198bc7@www.cycling74.com> Thanks for your reply. unfortunately, for this one i have to stay in 4.6.3, because it uses some externals not yet available for 5 (ICST Ambisonics) And by the way, i don't use much poly's (excepted maybe in one or two patches), but a lot of buffers. Maybe that's what causing the problem at loading time. Ph From pdelges at radiantslab.com Thu May 1 03:33:36 2008 From: pdelges at radiantslab.com (Patrick Delges) Date: Thu May 1 03:33:46 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> References: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <8d6c305e1561a644764bae7de2b7ca26@radiantslab.com> On 01-mai-08, at 09:16, Philippe Jelli wrote: > So I tried different approaches for this, the first is one mega-patch > containing all ten subpatches, and muting (with mute~) all unused > patches successively, but even whith muting, i have severe audio > dropouts and clicks. Another approach is to use [poly~ subpatch_1 1], [poly~ subpatch_2 1], [poly~ subpatch_3 1], etc. i.e. a poly with only one voice and mute that voice when it is not used. It is suppose to work better than [mute~] and worked well for me so far. Of course, you have to make sure 2 subpatches can run concurrently. p From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu May 1 03:38:51 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu May 1 03:38:57 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Straighten Segmented Cords? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22322.48198faa@www.cycling74.com> For me, it rarely happens that a patch cord aligned in a auto-intelligent way is beneficial for my patches. Most of the time I really need the Max 4 style aligning, i.e. only two fasten points, after which I'll usually drag the middle line segment to a human-intelligent place. So with Max 5 I mostly end up segmenting the patch cords by hand. I think this is a drawback. Mattijs From gusanomaxlist at googlemail.com Thu May 1 03:40:36 2008 From: gusanomaxlist at googlemail.com (gusano) Date: Thu May 1 03:40:47 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> References: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <48199014.5060705@gmail.com> Hi. Did you try to load all patches together and mute them on load (I've always prefered use [poly~] rather than [mute~] for that kind of things). This way, you just need to mute/unmute them for your transitions, without loading patches on the fly (which is probably the cause of your audio dropouts). @Alessandro I guess that dynamically changing your poly~ will also create audio dropouts (as for scripting, ...). Ciao. From c74-mailinglists at e--j.com Thu May 1 03:46:01 2008 From: c74-mailinglists at e--j.com (Emmanuel Jourdan) Date: Thu May 1 03:46:09 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] SFPLAY~ + POLY~? In-Reply-To: <22310.48194a62@www.cycling74.com> References: <22310.48194a62@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <05366F9E-40C8-4310-BFF9-8BB4E92DFAEA@e--j.com> On 1 mai 08, at 06:43, Tristan wrote: > Any help is appreciated. Without a patch there's no way we can investigate a "sometimes it doesn't work". btw, I don't see the problem of using adsr~, you can just use the bang outlet of sfplay to trigger the note off. Thanks for your help, ej From julien.rabin at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:11:33 2008 From: julien.rabin at gmail.com (Julien Rabin) Date: Thu May 1 04:11:46 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: First thoughts about Max 5 In-Reply-To: <222f3.4818f425@www.cycling74.com> References: <222f3.4818f425@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1FF13A3C-9A4D-4E81-A58A-4C8D49FB7E14@gmail.com> Le 1 mai 08 ? 00:35, Joshua Kit Clayton a ?crit : > This is precisely why it's not there yet. We have something very > cool planned for 5.1 whihc is better than dumpout in many ways, so > yes it's coming. However, you should also be able to use pattr to > this extent now. haha. Max 5 is just released and you're already teasing us with Max 5.1 ! :-) I guess I have enough fun to come taking advantage of the new features in Max 5 anyway. Thanks for your note. Best, Julien From philippe at mutin.org Thu May 1 04:13:54 2008 From: philippe at mutin.org (Philippe Jelli) Date: Thu May 1 04:13:59 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22327.481997e1@www.cycling74.com> mmmh. I never thought of using poly~ for this purpose, i'll give it a try. But i'm wondering, some patches use realtime video analysis, or submixes dac~'s to send audio to Live (using soundflower), will this work inside of a poly ? The first test i did gives me a lot of error messages like "signal outlet (*~) or (gain~) connected to nonsignal inlet (dac~)" when i enclose my subpatch inside a poly~ i suppose i'll have to drastically change the global architecture of my patches, if i want to use poly~, and put all these sends out of the poly~ - i'm not to familiar with these Thanks a lot for your help. From c74-mailinglists at e--j.com Thu May 1 04:25:57 2008 From: c74-mailinglists at e--j.com (Emmanuel Jourdan) Date: Thu May 1 04:26:04 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Textbutton feature request In-Reply-To: <4C49A6B5-9376-4C2A-BF4F-6F09FE7EFBFC@laposte.net> References: <4C49A6B5-9376-4C2A-BF4F-6F09FE7EFBFC@laposte.net> Message-ID: On 1 mai 08, at 08:23, Philippe OLLIVIER wrote: > Hi Cycling, > > Thanks and congratulations for the new Max! > > The Textbutton is very usefull, but in order to replace the > combination of ubutton and fpic, it would be nice if we had the > possibility to detect both the Mouse Down and the Mouse Up. There is > a lot of case where only Mouse Down or only Mouse Up is not enough. This is not going to happen unless you have a good strategy to implement it without requiring to add any new outlet, or breaking any existing patch. The question came during the beta testing, but it would have cause too much complexity to use the object. You can easily accomplish that with ubutton for all sort of click detections, so that's the way to go. ej From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:32:22 2008 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu May 1 04:32:31 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] max 5 new patcher preferences, grid and more In-Reply-To: <8BE3A744-E0F2-4909-BF81-AFAD4BC4DCFA@t-online.de> References: <48131015.6060902@gmail.com> <8BE3A744-E0F2-4909-BF81-AFAD4BC4DCFA@t-online.de> Message-ID: <48199C36.3040702@gmail.com> Sorry Chris (and the others). I guess i failed to explain my problem... I'll do another try : If i resize an object like *~, it should resize accordingly to the grid and the flonum i would like to connect to the 2nd inlet should be located on the grid as well, so the connection should be right. But it's never happening and i have to do a "align connections" which doesn't align things on the grid, but do some dark art mess in order to make things match. Means we're always messing "good" grid alignment with "floating" alignment and when dozen objects are involved and you move one, you find yourself in a deep s..t I guess it's still unclear, so nevermind :-) Cheers f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| Werner Funk a ?crit : > > Am 26.04.2008 um 13:20 schrieb f.e: > >> Also, about "snap to grid", something kills me : it "snaps" when you >> move, not when you resize objects. Even impossible, when you've >> resized, to resize again to manually match the grid. > > on Mac: command-resize snaps happily. > > > > Gr??e von der Cannstatter Altenburg: > Klangwerkstatt Werner Funk Stuttgart > > > > > From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu May 1 04:36:24 2008 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu May 1 04:36:32 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] we need a volume slider in the filebrowser In-Reply-To: References: <48170DDD.4010101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48199D28.5050207@gmail.com> Great !!!! Thanks Tim. Best wishes f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| Timothy Place a ?crit : > On 2008 Apr 29, at 7:00 AM, f.e wrote: > >> All is in the title. >> [snip] >> Anyway, the filebrowser is awesome. And even beautiful. > > > Thanks! This is a good idea. There will be a volume level control for > the filebrowser preview for the next Max update. > best, > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From peter.mcculloch at gmail.com Thu May 1 00:24:05 2008 From: peter.mcculloch at gmail.com (Peter McCulloch) Date: Thu May 1 05:06:55 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: First thoughts about Max 5 In-Reply-To: <222dd.4818cd72@www.cycling74.com> References: <222dd.4818cd72@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: > > I, for one, would hate that. Floating windows don't deal well with > key commands in any application. I always find that they get in my > way, too. > > In fact if there was a way to make the Clue window not be a floater, > I would do that. I've edited the couple Extras that I use regularly > (DSP Status and GlobalTransport) to not be floating windows. I completely agree. I have closed the patch that I was working on numerous times when I was really trying to close the DSP status or Global transport window. Very glad this is personalizable, but wish the default would not be to float windows. Command+W should be able to nuke anything that looks like a window as far as I'm concerned. If I were on a widescreen, it wouldn't be a problem, but on smaller displays, it's helpful to be able to kill windows quickly. On an off note, my extras have disappeared from the menubar; or rather, "Extras" is there, but there's no items when I click on it. Anybody else had this happen? Peter McCulloch From vincent.choqueuse at gmail.com Thu May 1 05:09:39 2008 From: vincent.choqueuse at gmail.com (Choqueuse) Date: Thu May 1 05:09:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: synthetic bird song In-Reply-To: <2130a.47f25cab@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2232c.4819a4f2@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I've put the spectrogram of a bird on this page http://forums.audiofanzine.com/index,idtopic,86573,forum,cris-de-mouettes.html A simple way to reecreate the soudn is to generate a sawtooth waveform with a decaying pitch (exponential cruve), and to apply a decaying amplitude. -- Choc, Music (Electronica/Electroacoustic): http://www.myspace.com/choc29 Website: http://vincent.choqueuse.free.fr From leopold.frey at free.fr Thu May 1 05:40:11 2008 From: leopold.frey at free.fr (Léopold Frey) Date: Thu May 1 05:40:18 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2232d.4819ac1a@www.cycling74.com> > > I just turned the Vector optimization OFF in the dsp status window > > and the sound is much much better ! > > I'm on PPC > > Can anybody confirm ? > > Are you running 5.0.1? > ej Yes, I do ! Powerbook G4 1.67GHz + Mac OS 10.4.11 + MMJ 5.0.1 Test run with the built-in core audio with "time stretcher 080426TEMP" After a bit more testing, today it works like a charm no matter the vector size or the vector optimization. Strange... L?o From jcsoares at buffalo.edu Thu May 1 06:06:29 2008 From: jcsoares at buffalo.edu (James Correa) Date: Thu May 1 06:06:39 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 + vst In-Reply-To: <222fc.48191d63@www.cycling74.com> References: <222fc.48191d63@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <9AED96F7-B08E-4C37-96B2-4F131EA774E9@buffalo.edu> It is very simple, just look at the help patch and read the reference documentation, it is all there... james On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Luis Fernandes wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to build a controlable vst chain in max 5 and have two > questions for you: > > -how can I control the parameters of a vst loaded in vst~ object > (without double-clicking the object)? I wanted other max commands/ > objects to control the vst parameters. > > -how can I memorize a certain vst in the vst~ object? Everytime I > restart the patch, all the loaded plugins disappear.. > > Thank you very much > Luis > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From sfogar at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:23:17 2008 From: sfogar at gmail.com (Alessandro Fogar) Date: Thu May 1 06:23:24 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <48199014.5060705@gmail.com> References: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> <48199014.5060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, 2008/5/1 gusano : > @Alessandro > I guess that dynamically changing your poly~ will also create audio dropouts > (as for scripting, ...). Not in Max5. All the best -- Alessandro Fogar http://www.fogar.it From wevans at elec.gla.ac.uk Thu May 1 07:34:35 2008 From: wevans at elec.gla.ac.uk (Bill Evans) Date: Thu May 1 07:34:41 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: How to Find Sample Zero-Points in Real Time In-Reply-To: <22312.48195079@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22331.4819c6eb@www.cycling74.com> Thank you very much for your reply. I'll try it and post my results. Bill -- ------- Academic: wevans@elec.gla.ac.uk Ph.D. Candidate, University of Glasgow Centre for Music Technology www.n-ism.org/People/bill.php ------- Professional: bill@billevansmedia.com www.billevansmedia.com From lists at simonadcock.co.uk Thu May 1 07:40:20 2008 From: lists at simonadcock.co.uk (simon adcock) Date: Thu May 1 07:40:28 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] [Max5] another Hover bug (?) Message-ID: <22332.4819c842@www.cycling74.com> Sorry to pick holes... but it seems Hover no longer reports whilst the mouse is held down - which means all my drag and drop interfaces have stopped working! I really hope this won't be too much trouble to rectify as it's pretty crucial to most of my patches. (Max 5.01, Windows XP) Thanks for reading, Simon From laurencethegreat at hotmail.com Thu May 1 08:20:56 2008 From: laurencethegreat at hotmail.com (Laurence Teixeira) Date: Thu May 1 08:21:04 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Bonk~ for windows error in max 5? Message-ID: <22333.4819d1c8@www.cycling74.com> Hi guys, seems all my patches using bonk 1.3~ external throw up the same entry point assist_string error, and reports error 127 in max window. This is only tested on Windows Max 5. Anyone else having the same problem? Cheers. From po at ostry.com Thu May 1 08:21:12 2008 From: po at ostry.com (Peter Ostry) Date: Thu May 1 08:21:19 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Controlling an RME FireFace 800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22334.4819d1d6@www.cycling74.com> Quote: jeanfrancois.charles wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 02:29 ---------------------------------------------------- > > ... Wind Controller player. We got stuck because we used exclusively Logic and > > reached the ceiling. > > Your requests must be pretty high. Michael Brecker had a crazy > live-electronics set-up to play with his EWI, and that was a all-Logic > system. Breckers requirements were different and the setup apart from the built-in looper in no way crazy but very individual. His patches are basically identical parallel MIDI processing lines that got configured for particular performances, plus a routing matrix. The looper is another story. > The ceiling with Logic seems pretty high for MIDI processing. And the number of bugs and the necessity for workarounds is also pretty high. Furthermore, if you try to route audio in Logic by MIDI, you run from one shortcoming into the other. The development of this very good part of Logic was simply stopped at some point. > Agreed, that [Brecker's environment] was done by a real specialist of the Logic Environment. It was done by his keyboarder. At this time, not many people had the idea to replace a complex hardware setup by software. Well, some had the idea, but they didn't do it. > ... It surely depends on the > precise things you want to do. Exactly. Here is the short version of the list: 1. Acceptance of any controller input, mapable to at least 64 preconfigured virtual instruments including keyswitches, keysplits, transposition, adjustable curves for continuous controllers and dynamics, message conversion. Input distribution based on MIDI port and channel. 2. At least 4 "routes" of active instruments per preset that can be mixed, muted, crossfaded, sent to effect paths (soft- and hardware) on demand, controlled by the artist. Global parameters like transposition can be changed on the fly, the same applies to instrument specific parameters of the virtual instruments themselves and to plugins in their individual channelstrips. 3. MIDI control from controllers to the software and from the software to external units. This includes external multieffects and amp switching and output to custom MIDI aware devices. 4. At least 64 presets (better 100+), that store all settings for the minimum of 4 parallel "routes", where each route can consist of several solo or layered sounds. Preset switching has to occur within few milliseconds. Configurable crossfades between presets, especially for spill-over of delay and reverb. A kind of song list where each song combines several presets would be fine. 6. Ability to process audio and mix audio input with virtual instruments. Audio routing within the DAW and via external effects loops. 7. Big and clear onscreen feedback for the artist. That's it, basically. And as you see, the requirements are quite different from Brecker's. I got more than 50% of the above running in Logic. But then the last update broke an essential function, I had time to rethink the system and came to the conclusion, that with all the upcoming problems in the growing patch I would not be able to fulfil more than 70% of the requirements. I started to look for other ways and finally, as John correctly assumes in his post, I am here. I use Max/MSP only for several weeks now but it is enough to tell me that the project can be successful with this software. I am not sure yet what I will do in Logic, what in Max/MSP or probably in the mixer of the RME interface which could be a requirement for a setup. -- Peter From po at ostry.com Thu May 1 08:28:56 2008 From: po at ostry.com (Peter Ostry) Date: Thu May 1 08:29:05 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Controlling an RME FireFace 800 In-Reply-To: <2230a.481945b1@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22335.4819d3a8@www.cycling74.com> Quote: johnpitcairn wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 06:23 ---------------------------------------------------- > If RME would be willing to release some info (under NDA) about controlling the Fireface hardware mixers globally via native C/C++, I'd be willing to take a crack at writing a Max external to talk to the unit, and I have a FF800 I can test on. I'm not so inclined to chase them for the info, but I do have a prior relationship with Matthias Carstens there, so if you're contacting them, maybe that would help. ---------------------------------------------------- Great offer, John. I will to talk to them, we speak at least the same language and I am not as far away as you are. Maybe that helps. I'll let you know what they say. -- Peter From vze1mk7d at gmail.com Thu May 1 08:42:30 2008 From: vze1mk7d at gmail.com (Theo) Date: Thu May 1 08:42:38 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: [OT] Wacom Tablet In-Reply-To: <2CBE2962-3EAA-4009-870B-AE0E00F627B8@lumen.nu> Message-ID: <22336.4819d6d6@www.cycling74.com> Hi. I just wanted to say thank you for everyones recommendations. I ended up going with the wacom bamboo and have to say that it has helped immensely. So thanks again to everyone. -- -Theo http://www.theopadouvas.com/ From benjamin.n.levy at wanadoo.fr Thu May 1 08:56:43 2008 From: benjamin.n.levy at wanadoo.fr (BenCello) Date: Thu May 1 08:56:52 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: What happened to text macros? In-Reply-To: <21b94.480ed68f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22337.4819da2b@www.cycling74.com> Hiya No loadbang either (as well as print) in the object-auto-completion list. Is this only on my computer (MacBook, OSX.5.2, Max 5.0.1) or does someone has the same issue ? Cheers From jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org Thu May 1 09:12:54 2008 From: jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org (Jean-Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Charles) Date: Thu May 1 09:12:34 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Controlling an RME FireFace 800 In-Reply-To: <22334.4819d1d6@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this quite detailed answer/clarification and for sharing your specs. Actually, I didn't go as deep as you did inside Logic's Environment, because I began with Max, and used Logic later, "just as a DAW." Too bad they broke stuff. I'm glad John is able to help you. Jean-Fran?ois. > > That's it, basically. And as you see, the requirements are quite different > from Brecker's. > > -- > Peter > From garton at columbia.edu Thu May 1 09:55:50 2008 From: garton at columbia.edu (Brad Garton) Date: Thu May 1 09:56:15 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] [OT] May Day Fun: CD release from PGT Message-ID: <7620284A-33BE-47F2-B5E9-EAD7DFE65FCD@columbia.edu> Pardon the spam, but lots of max/msp on this one! ---------------------------- PGT: "Temporary Habitations" Crown (29:02) Minuit (17:09) Dome (24:55) The first CD release by PGT, a trio composed of Terry Pender (mandolin), Brad Garton (laptop), and Gregory Taylor (laptop) is an intimate snapshot of the improvising ensemble - three pieces that take their names from referential scraps of the place names where they were recorded around the time of the trio's various recent public performances. This set of nomadic documents can be thought of as a live recording made in a single, moveable location - homes away from home, where friends meet in interchangeable rooms to pursue the pleasure of playing together while awaiting the opportunity to play for others. In the quiet of those convivial mornings, afternoons, and evenings, new timbres and timescales emerge as PGT take the opportunity to try new things away from the distractions and expectational inertia of the club or concert hall. website/order on-line: http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/PGT/Temporary_Habitations/ additional info/mp3-recording links: http://music.columbia.edu/~brad/PGT/ Loochtone Recordings :: 602 Russell Street :: Madison, WI 53704 ---------------------------- who we are: Terry Pender (http://music.columbia.edu/~mando) is a composer and musician whose interests range from contemporary multimedia-based works to Irish music and the mandolin. His works have been performed worldwide, including Japan, China, and Greece, as well as across the United States. He has composed for NPR, national network television, and the Whitney Museum of American Art. Lately he has been creating sound designs for large scale public art works with the Open Ended Group. He was the editor of "Mandolin Quarterly", an internationally distributed magazine, and his music is published by NL Publications, Inc. He is an Adjunct Assistant Professor of Music and the Associate Director of the Computer Music Center at Columbia University. Brad Garton (http://music.columbia.edu/~brad) received his BS in pharmacology from Purdue University, where he also worked towards an MS in psychoacoustics. He eventually entered the graduate music composition program at Princeton University (studying primarily with Paul Lansky and J. K. Randall), where he was awarded PhD in music composition. He is currently a professor on the faculty of Columbia University, where he also serves as Director of the Computer Music Center. He is an active composer and music software developer, and has worked as consultant on the design and installation of computer music facilities throughout the world. Gregory Taylor (http://www.rtqe.net/) was trained initially as a visual artist, He has studied central Javanese gamelan and electroacoustic music in the U.S. and the Netherlands, written for publications such as Wired, Array, and Option, and hosted a radio program of contemporary audio since 1986 (http://www.rtqe.net). In addition to his work with PGT, he has released solo recordings on c74, Palace of Lights and Stasisfield, performed and recorded as The Desert Fathers with quartertone trumpeter Jeff Kaiser, and remixed artists such as Scott Fields, Kim Cascone, and BMB.con. He currently labors on behalf of the new media software company Cycling '74. From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Thu May 1 10:03:20 2008 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Thu May 1 10:03:29 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] File browser In-Reply-To: <30002D38-132D-4629-B698-46406A4A9FCE@e--j.com> References: <220f7.48161b00@www.cycling74.com> <8330DFBC-D2FA-430E-B492-31ED28469BA9@cycling74.com> <48172458.1020000@addcom.de> <0243DC61-AE56-48F2-85D3-1197AF4EF125@cassiel.com> <30002D38-132D-4629-B698-46406A4A9FCE@e--j.com> Message-ID: <4819E9C8.5030908@addcom.de> Emmanuel Jourdan schrieb: > I'm sure you can use different fishes of different sizes to produce > different pitches;-) Don't mix it up with different platsches... Though if you throw them into the piano, the tuning of the piano is probably dominant... But I doubt La Monte Young would allow detuned fish, even if you can't hear it... Detuned fish would make up a nice title for a piece... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From andrew.capon at zen.co.uk Thu May 1 10:04:32 2008 From: andrew.capon at zen.co.uk (Andrew Capon) Date: Thu May 1 10:04:41 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Pluggo runtime - should I install? Message-ID: <2233c.4819ea0f@www.cycling74.com> Hi Guys, I have Max 5 and 4.6.3 here and don't seem to be able to use plugins created by 4.6.3 in a host. DO I need to install the Pluggo runtime? Cheers Andy From philippe at mutin.org Thu May 1 10:14:59 2008 From: philippe at mutin.org (Philippe Jelli) Date: Thu May 1 10:15:06 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Big set - CPU strategy ? In-Reply-To: <2231b.48196e32@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2233e.4819ec82@www.cycling74.com> Ok, ignore my previous post, all my routings seems to work fine, even inside the poly's. I still have some clicks and glitches, but nothing to compare with the previous situation. I think i need to clean my patches and remove all unnecessary objects like number boxes and waveforms... Thanks again Ph From andrew at cycling74.com Thu May 1 10:17:48 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu May 1 10:17:54 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Pluggo runtime - should I install? In-Reply-To: <2233c.4819ea0f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2233f.4819ed2c@www.cycling74.com> Yes. Remember they won't work in Max 5, we'll need an updated Pluggo runtime for that.But the different versions will all co-exist happily. In some totally fangled performance thing of mine, I have a Max5 patch talking over OSC to 4.6.3 based plugins hosted in Live. -A From lewiskeller at hotmail.com Thu May 1 10:19:07 2008 From: lewiskeller at hotmail.com (Lewis Keller) Date: Thu May 1 10:19:15 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Question about K-Slider In-Reply-To: <22303.4819338f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22340.4819ed7a@www.cycling74.com> Quote: burbankd1@mail.montclair.edu wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 20:05 ---------------------------------------------------- > How would I physically do the first way and assign different pitches different values? If I did it the second way, how do I make a formula that would actually change the pitches played on the keyboard? ---------------------------------------------------- Here are the two ways using your teacher's suggestions and Eli's (though I do some tedious assignment of pitches, but only for 11 of them). Please let me know what grade we get on the assignment. ;) In the first way I only did a few notes so you can fill in the rest. For the second way you'd have to set up similar mappings of expr objects (or however you want to do the math) for each temperament. You've done the tutorials right? There are many other solutions, perhaps this will get you thinking in new directions and you can come up with some. 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I'm not so inclined to chase them for the info, but I do have a prior relationship with Matthias Carstens there, so if you're contacting them, maybe that would help. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Great offer, John. I will to talk to them, we speak at least the same language and I am not as far away as you are. Maybe that helps. I'll let you know what they say. > > > ---------------------------------------------------- Great to hear the enthusiasm. John and Peter, let me know what I can do to help. Thank you! -Devin From andrew.capon at zen.co.uk Thu May 1 10:26:49 2008 From: andrew.capon at zen.co.uk (Andrew Capon) Date: Thu May 1 10:26:55 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Pluggo runtime - should I install? In-Reply-To: <2233c.4819ea0f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22343.4819ef49@www.cycling74.com> Hi andrew, Thanks for the info, installing now..... Cheers Andy From phil at rewirethefuture.com Thu May 1 10:52:48 2008 From: phil at rewirethefuture.com (Phil) Date: Thu May 1 10:52:52 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Bpm tracking Message-ID: <22346.4819f55f@www.cycling74.com> Hi all, I'm having trouble making a bpm counter. I've got a signal pulse in the form of a bang and want to track its bpm and display it in a number box. I know its simple but i just can't seem to get it going. ....I think I need to use the timer object? Any help greatly appreciated Phil From mrcx at yahoo.com Thu May 1 11:25:24 2008 From: mrcx at yahoo.com (Mathieu Marcoux) Date: Thu May 1 11:25:30 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: input 8000hz / output 44100hz In-Reply-To: <481956CC.4090103@addcom.de> Message-ID: <22348.4819fd00@www.cycling74.com> This answer don't really help. I need technical advice not artistic one ;) > > I have a bluetooth microphone device with a maximum sampling rate > > input of 8000hz. I want to use it in a patch set at 44100hz because > > the sound card don't go under that sampling rate. > > Are you sure its the sampling rate? YES. > I guess its the highest frequency it > will pass on. Does it work? NOP! This is the sampling rate. > how does it sound in Max? OK if I use the speaker in the headset because the sampling rate stay the same. > If your mic works in your operating system, the OS will deal > with it, no need to worry about sample rate conversion... The OS don't deal with the conversion. jawbone in = 8000hz sampling rate mac out = 44100 hz samplig rate > If your mic would put out 8000 Hz, you would have given it back > to the dealer or thrown it into the trash.... http://www.jawbone.com/technology.php I plan to use the noise shield technology in a context of a live performance. thanks for any comment who can help... Mathieu From mrcx at yahoo.com Thu May 1 11:27:08 2008 From: mrcx at yahoo.com (Mathieu Marcoux) Date: Thu May 1 11:27:13 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: input 8000hz / output 44100hz In-Reply-To: <481956CC.4090103@addcom.de> Message-ID: <2234a.4819fd6a@www.cycling74.com> Hi Stefan, by the way, the link in your signature don't work. Mathieu From cbranje at gmail.com Thu May 1 11:39:17 2008 From: cbranje at gmail.com (Carmen Branje) Date: Thu May 1 11:39:24 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Message only sent when manually banged Message-ID: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> Hi There I have a patch . . If I manually change a number box to 1, or toggle on a toggle with the mouse, the right message gets sent. But if the number box gets changed to 1 automatically by the patch, the message underneithe does not get sent . . Why is this . . . Please help! Carmen From mzed at cnmat.berkeley.edu Thu May 1 11:50:13 2008 From: mzed at cnmat.berkeley.edu (mzed) Date: Thu May 1 11:50:19 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Bpm tracking In-Reply-To: <22346.4819f55f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2234e.481a02d5@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Phil wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 09:52 ---------------------------------------------------- > Hi all, I'm having trouble making a bpm counter. > > I've got a signal pulse in the form of a bang and want to track its bpm and display it in a number box. > > I know its simple but i just can't seem to get it going. > > ....I think I need to use the timer object? > > > Any help greatly appreciated > > Phil ---------------------------------------------------- Connect the bang that is your pulse to both inlets of timer. What timer will output is the number of milliseconds between beats. Next, type this in an object box: !/ 60000 Connect the output of timer to the input of that box. That will output BPM. Why? Because there are 60000 milliseconds in a minute, 60000/ms-per-beat = beats per minute. good luck, mz -- || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist || http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ || http://www.mikezed.com/ From elt at altern.org Thu May 1 11:51:31 2008 From: elt at altern.org (fp) Date: Thu May 1 11:51:37 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <2232d.4819ac1a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2234f.481a0322@www.cycling74.com> i confirm, it's perfect with vector optimization off. great !!! thx a lot. -- ------------------------ - www.pan-etc.net - ------------------------ From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 12:09:52 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 12:10:00 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: What happened to text macros? In-Reply-To: <22337.4819da2b@www.cycling74.com> References: <22337.4819da2b@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <60579868-1014-43D1-8DC6-3E2D0AF3A4CA@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 7:56 AM, BenCello wrote: > No loadbang either (as well as print) in the object-auto-completion > list. They're both on my list. Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From lists at simonadcock.co.uk Thu May 1 12:11:03 2008 From: lists at simonadcock.co.uk (simon adcock) Date: Thu May 1 12:11:11 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22352.481a07b7@www.cycling74.com> When you say 'automatically' how do you mean? loadbang? If you post an example patch it would make things a lot easier. Simon From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu May 1 12:18:45 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu May 1 12:18:54 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <2234f.481a0322@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22355.481a0984@www.cycling74.com> Quote: fp wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 19:51 ---------------------------------------------------- > i confirm, it's perfect with vector optimization off. > great !!! > thx a lot. ---------------------------------------------------- Happy to hear that turning vector optimization off fixes it for you, fp. Is it true that if you turn vector optimization back on, the patch stops working again? This sure is a mysterious bug.. I hope someone at cycling can reproduce this issue somehow. I can't, but I'll keep trying. Mattijs From jason_bradberry at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 1 12:18:44 2008 From: jason_bradberry at yahoo.co.uk (Jason Bradberry) Date: Thu May 1 12:18:56 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Turning on reverb for GM synth Message-ID: <22354.481a0984@www.cycling74.com> I just read in the 'Max Topics' manual pdf (for max 4.6) that reverb ca be turned on for the DLS general midi synth. It states that i should use the following message to turn reverb on: ;# SM driver reverb 1/0 but it doesnt say what i should send that message to? Also, im assuming that portname is AU DLS Synth 1? Anyone know how to do this? Thanks! From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 12:20:41 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 12:20:51 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> References: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: On May 1, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Carmen Branje wrote: > I have a patch . . I'm sure you do. Without sharing it here, it makes it very difficult to help. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From julien.rabin at gmail.com Thu May 1 12:35:26 2008 From: julien.rabin at gmail.com (jln) Date: Thu May 1 12:35:31 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: New Max5 GUI vs. Macintosh GUI In-Reply-To: <21ee3.48124d8a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22358.481a0d6e@www.cycling74.com> I wanted to report this as well. I guess it is a bug as up/down arrow works as in Max 4 in message boxes for example. If it's not a bug, then it's a feature request. Best, Julien From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 12:36:14 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 12:36:21 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <22355.481a0984@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22359.481a0d9b@www.cycling74.com> We disabled PowerPC vector optimization completely in 5.0.1. It's possible that a 5.0.0 user is having trouble where a 5.0.1 user would not. David Z. From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 12:42:53 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 12:43:00 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: First thoughts about Max 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2235a.481a0f2c@www.cycling74.com> > On an off note, my extras have disappeared from the menubar; or > rather, "Extras" is there, but there's no items when I click on it. Look for a folder called extras in your search path. More generally, the inspector is not a floating window because there are menu commands that act on it. You can copy and paste attributes, undo attribute changes, etc. What we tried to do with the inspector is combine aspects of floating and non-floating windows. Its content updates dynamically as if it were a floating window, but it does not have the menu targeting and activation problems associated with floating windows. I agree we should do something about saving its size and/or position across launches, but it's a little tricky. David Z. From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu May 1 12:48:18 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu May 1 12:48:26 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <22359.481a0d9b@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2235b.481a1071@www.cycling74.com> Quote: David Zicarelli wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 20:36 ---------------------------------------------------- > We disabled PowerPC vector optimization completely in 5.0.1. It's possible that a 5.0.0 user is having trouble where a 5.0.1 user would not. > > David Z. > > ---------------------------------------------------- Ah, thanks for that info! So the question is: is there anyone with Max version 5.0.1 (please double-check this) who can get the temporary version of the time stretching patch to sound corrupt in any way? Mattijs From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu May 1 12:52:12 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu May 1 12:52:19 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Pluggo runtime - should I install? In-Reply-To: <22343.4819ef49@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2235c.481a115c@www.cycling74.com> Moving this topic to the Pluggo forum.. From julien.rabin at gmail.com Thu May 1 12:56:01 2008 From: julien.rabin at gmail.com (Julien Rabin) Date: Thu May 1 12:56:12 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: New Max5 GUI vs. Macintosh GUI In-Reply-To: <22358.481a0d6e@www.cycling74.com> References: <22358.481a0d6e@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Le 1 mai 08 ? 20:35, jln a ?crit : > I wanted to report this as well. I guess it is a bug as up/down > arrow works as in Max 4 in message boxes for example. If it's not a > bug, then it's a feature request. Here is what happening when I exeptionally post from the forum. Forgot to quote the previous message... The problem is that up and down arrows don't work anymore in Max 5.0.1 to jump at the begining/end of objects boxes. I guess it's a bug as this works fine in message boxes. At least, I hope so. Sorry for noise. Back to mail posting. :-) Best, Julien From philippe at mutin.org Thu May 1 13:02:35 2008 From: philippe at mutin.org (Philippe Jelli) Date: Thu May 1 13:02:42 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] pfft~ inside poly~ ? Message-ID: <2235d.481a13ca@www.cycling74.com> Does it work ? It seems not, but i don't find this in the manuals or in this forum Thanks. Ph From Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com Thu May 1 13:06:51 2008 From: Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com (WPPK) Date: Thu May 1 13:06:58 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row Message-ID: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on random number generation without repeating any 2 numbers twice in a row. Meaning 1,1 cannot happen but 1, 2, 1 can. I have tried messing around with the Urn object which works, but it needs to be cleared after all numbers are output and that creates a small pause before resetting. I am looking for a way to generate continuously random numbers that don't occur in a row. I've also tried hooking up Random to Change but if random generates a number twice in a row then there is a pause in output. I'm trying to avoid that. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. From o at borgen.as Thu May 1 13:10:13 2008 From: o at borgen.as (Lut Lei) Date: Thu May 1 13:10:21 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] pattern recognition in a stream of data Message-ID: <22360.481a1594@www.cycling74.com> I'm wondering if someone has any experience in finding similarities in a stream of data. Let's say I got a sensor, and it's putting out a lot of numbers which I collect in a coll. I want to find patterns in this data, patterns that I don't know in advance, and therefor I can't train a system to look for something in particular. Any help will be appreciated. From phil at rewirethefuture.com Thu May 1 13:32:35 2008 From: phil at rewirethefuture.com (Phil) Date: Thu May 1 13:32:39 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Bpm tracking In-Reply-To: <2234e.481a02d5@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22364.481a1ad3@www.cycling74.com> Thanks! I'll try that out... I had the two inlets in the timer bit but not the last formula. Thank you very much for your help :D From zip at knoware.nl Thu May 1 13:39:07 2008 From: zip at knoware.nl (Zip Boterbloem) Date: Thu May 1 13:39:15 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> References: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Have a look at the rtc-lib. Lots of interesting stuff, including anti- repeat stuff. http://www.essl.at Op 1-mei-2008, om 21:06 heeft WPPK het volgende geschreven: > > Hi, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on random number > generation without repeating any 2 numbers twice in a row. Meaning > 1,1 cannot happen but 1, 2, 1 can. I have tried messing around > with the Urn object which works, but it needs to be cleared after > all numbers are output and that creates a small pause before > resetting. I am looking for a way to generate continuously random > numbers that don't occur in a row. > > I've also tried hooking up Random to Change but if random > generates a number twice in a row then there is a pause in output. > I'm trying to avoid that. > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org Thu May 1 13:43:04 2008 From: jeanfrancois.charles at newflore.org (Jean-Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Charles) Date: Thu May 1 13:43:12 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] pfft~ inside poly~ ? In-Reply-To: <2235d.481a13ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Yes, it works great. You can have multiple levels of poly~ and pfft~ embedded. Very useful in some cases. There might not be examples ready, but you are clear with both poly~ and pfft~, you should manage to embed them simply enough. Possible examples: -a pfft~ inside a poly~, so you can turn on/off a processing (poly~ with just one voice). -a pfft~ inside a poly~, to use for polyphonic synthesis or sound processing (several poly~ voices). -a poly~ inside a pfft~ to activate or deactivate processing lines within the spectral domain. Jean-Fran?ois. > > Does it work ? > > It seems not, but i don't find this in the manuals or in this forum > > Thanks. > > Ph From apalomba at austin.rr.com Thu May 1 13:51:35 2008 From: apalomba at austin.rr.com (Anthony Palomba) Date: Thu May 1 13:51:43 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22369.481a1f47@www.cycling74.com> Or you could use 2 urns... From johnpoupinel at hotmail.com Thu May 1 13:53:40 2008 From: johnpoupinel at hotmail.com (Bertrand Fraysse) Date: Thu May 1 13:53:46 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Intelligent [Clip 0. 1.] Message-ID: <2236b.481a1fc3@www.cycling74.com> I had no idea on how to name this topic... Whatever. So, i've got an algorithm problem. When X < 0 it clips to 0. But if for exemple I was going from 0 to -2 and then from -2 to -1 it have to output 1. When X > 1 it clips to 1. But if for exemple I was going from 1 to 2 and then from 2 to 1 it have to output 0. Look at the patches, they are a lot more understandable I think. The patch contain the to separate algorithm but I don't know how to make the 0 < X < 1 with this technique. I need to make a loop, but... A big thanks to everyone that will search for this problem. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BF.Clipppp.maxpat Type: application/octet-stream Size: 20635 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/attachments/20080501/c9fff20b/BF.Clipppp.obj From Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com Thu May 1 13:55:41 2008 From: Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com (WPPK) Date: Thu May 1 13:55:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2236c.481a203d@www.cycling74.com> Right!! Thank you. That'll do it. From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 14:00:40 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 14:00:47 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: input 8000hz / output 44100hz In-Reply-To: <22348.4819fd00@www.cycling74.com> References: <22348.4819fd00@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: On May 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mathieu Marcoux wrote: > The OS don't deal with the conversion. > jawbone in = 8000hz sampling rate > mac out = 44100 hz samplig rate What OS are you on? If you're on the Mac, what does Audio MIDI Setup say as far as input rates go? I can't imagine how audio at a rate that isn't the system rate is delivered to an application, if the OS doesn't handle it. How is this audio delivered into Max? poly~ can upsample, but only by powers of two. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From cbranje at gmail.com Thu May 1 14:04:47 2008 From: cbranje at gmail.com (Carmen Branje) Date: Thu May 1 14:04:54 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2236f.481a225f@www.cycling74.com> I think I've found something . . . it seems only the right most message box works . . .? From sfogar at gmail.com Thu May 1 14:07:33 2008 From: sfogar at gmail.com (Alessandro Fogar) Date: Thu May 1 14:07:40 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <2235b.481a1071@www.cycling74.com> References: <22359.481a0d9b@www.cycling74.com> <2235b.481a1071@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Hi, I confirm what I said before, if you load the 'Tones example - Herat' (I converted to wav to test with new patch and 5.01) and change the tempo slider, you can hear the artifacts. All the best -- Alessandro Fogar http://www.fogar.it 2008/5/1 Mattijs Kneppers : > > Quote: David Zicarelli wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 20:36 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> We disabled PowerPC vector optimization completely in 5.0.1. It's possible that a 5.0.0 user is having trouble where a 5.0.1 user would not. >> >> David Z. >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Ah, thanks for that info! > > So the question is: is there anyone with Max version 5.0.1 (please double-check this) who can get the temporary version of the time stretching patch to sound corrupt in any way? > > Mattijs > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 14:15:20 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 14:15:24 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22371.481a24d8@www.cycling74.com> poly only takes one argument. Did you intend for the extra arguments to do something? Your "midi" subpatcher could be made simpler, I think, by using a series of "split" objects instead of all the == >= <= and && operators. I'm a little suspicious of how you're routing the poly output and velocity value to the midi subpatcher. I think you should just unpack the list output from route in your midi subpatch. 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The desired behavior is not clear, at least to me. Wouldn't "split 0. 1." do what you want? Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 14:35:55 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 14:36:03 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> References: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <8CBE65A5-CCF6-4E28-8073-2B756C5DE7A3@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 12:06 PM, WPPK wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on random number > generation without repeating any 2 numbers twice in a row. Meaning > 1,1 cannot happen but 1, 2, 1 can. I have tried messing around with > the Urn object which works, but it needs to be cleared after all > numbers are output and that creates a small pause before resetting. > I am looking for a way to generate continuously random numbers that > don't occur in a row. Reseting urn doesn't cause a pause, in my experience. Here's an abstraction, called UrnCounter, which is like a counter that counts a random pattern. 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In-Reply-To: <2231c.4819771c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22377.481a2a8d@www.cycling74.com> Excellent! I look forward to the update, then. Do you know when that will come out? =D Thanks. From cbranje at gmail.com Thu May 1 14:50:47 2008 From: cbranje at gmail.com (Carmen Branje) Date: Thu May 1 14:50:53 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <22371.481a24d8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22379.481a2d27@www.cycling74.com> Hi Thanks for your responses . . . . I've fixed one problem and found another . . . this initial problem was that the message was being sent when ever a change in value was sent, so from 0-1 or 1-0, so both where being sent I believe. I've fixed that, but now I am only able to get the right most message to fire as per my post above. Thanks Carmen Branje From c74-mailinglists at e--j.com Thu May 1 14:58:50 2008 From: c74-mailinglists at e--j.com (Emmanuel Jourdan) Date: Thu May 1 14:58:58 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: LCD 'getpixel x y' command has vanished in Max 5! In-Reply-To: <22377.481a2a8d@www.cycling74.com> References: <22377.481a2a8d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: On 1 mai 08, at 22:39, Andrew wrote: > Excellent! I look forward to the update, then. Do you know when > that will come out? =D Soon, hopefully. ej From keith.hedger at gmail.com Thu May 1 15:07:36 2008 From: keith.hedger at gmail.com (Keith Hedger) Date: Thu May 1 15:07:43 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: pattern recognition in a stream of data In-Reply-To: <22360.481a1594@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2237e.481a3118@www.cycling74.com> Quote: lut lei wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 13:10 ---------------------------------------------------- > I'm wondering if someone has any experience in finding similarities in a stream of data. Let's say I got a sensor, and it's putting out a lot of numbers which I collect in a coll. I want to find patterns in this data, patterns that I don't know in advance, and therefor I can't train a system to look for something in particular. > > Any help will be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------- I'm a newbie to max so I don't know about existing objects, but lacking one, then the question becomes "is there a way to do a regex in an external object?" bigtiny From jkc at musork.com Thu May 1 15:14:21 2008 From: jkc at musork.com (Joshua Kit Clayton) Date: Thu May 1 15:14:26 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2237f.481a32ac@www.cycling74.com> Alessandro's problems sound like a different kind of issue (lfo amplitude variation rather than byteswapped bitnoise), and it probably has something to do with the windowing synchronization. If anything changes by enabling/disabling vector optimization, then it is probably related to the pitch~ object, since that flag should now be ignored by all standard MSP objects. -Joshua From Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com Thu May 1 15:16:44 2008 From: Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com (WPPK) Date: Thu May 1 15:16:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22380.481a333c@www.cycling74.com> Thanks. I'll take a look, but the text file seems a bit strange. Is it correct? For Max 5? From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 15:24:03 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 15:24:09 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <2234c.481a0043@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22382.481a34f0@www.cycling74.com> I think you have some fundamental misunderstandings about Max. The way your patch is set up ALL of the logic for decoding MIDI notes will change state with EVERY note that comes in. If you are sending messages with each change, lots of messages will be sent. Add bang messages hanging off of all your && objects to see what I mean. At this point I'll reiterate my advice about using split instead of a lot of your logic. With split, only a given range will respond to a change. BTW, Posting images is not as useful as posting patches. -C -- Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From nar at hush.com Thu May 1 15:34:10 2008 From: nar at hush.com (Nathan Ramella) Date: Thu May 1 15:34:15 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Can I divert USB HID data from reaching the OS/Window Manager? Message-ID: <22383.481a3750@www.cycling74.com> I'm pretty excited about the potential for using the 'hi' module for using mouse input within Max, but I'm curious if it's possible to essentially divert the device entirely so that only max is capable of polling it for data. The scenario I'm imagining is 2 mice hooked up, with one of them for moving the cursor around and the other simply as an input device for Max and Max alone. I'm on a MacBook Pro and hoping there's a solution simpler than learning IOKit. :D Anyone tried this? From joekubler at gmail.com Thu May 1 15:44:43 2008 From: joekubler at gmail.com (Joseph) Date: Thu May 1 15:44:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Simple Question: Clear a Message Box With Bang Message-ID: <22385.481a39c9@www.cycling74.com> I am having difficulty finding the code that will clear a message box with a bang. I have a message box that adds random numbers depending on the amount of motion detected. When that number reaches 0, I need for the set to reset itself, essentially being clear with no data in it. What is the clear message code? From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Thu May 1 15:45:35 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Thu May 1 15:45:42 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [sharing is fun] natural sounding granular time stretcher (Max 5) In-Reply-To: <2237f.481a32ac@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22386.481a39fe@www.cycling74.com> Quote: jkc wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 23:14 ---------------------------------------------------- > > Alessandro's problems sound like a different kind of issue (lfo amplitude variation rather than byteswapped bitnoise), and it probably has something to do with the windowing synchronization. If anything changes by enabling/disabling vector optimization, then it is probably related to the pitch~ object, since that flag should now be ignored by all standard MSP objects. > > -Joshua ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks for mentioning that Joshua. Alessandro, just to be sure: when playing the Herat sample, you did set Mode to 'Tones', right? In case you did: Lfo-isch artifacts in Tones mode are expected to a minimal extent, but not more than the Tones mode in for example Ableton Live. If there are very obvious artifacts, as Joshua states, maybe there's a problem with [pitch~]. In that case I'd appreciate if you could make a recording and send it to me. So it seems with 5.0.2 all the really bad playback problems will be solved. Nice! Best, Mattijs From joekubler at gmail.com Thu May 1 15:51:44 2008 From: joekubler at gmail.com (Joseph) Date: Thu May 1 15:51:50 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Simple Question: Clear a Message Box With Bang In-Reply-To: <22385.481a39c9@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22387.481a3b70@www.cycling74.com> Eeeeep. \\Obvious one. just figured it out. sorry and thanks guys From mzed at cnmat.berkeley.edu Thu May 1 15:53:36 2008 From: mzed at cnmat.berkeley.edu (mzed) Date: Thu May 1 15:53:41 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Turning on reverb for GM synth In-Reply-To: <22354.481a0984@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22388.481a3be0@www.cycling74.com> Quote: jason bradberry wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 11:18 ---------------------------------------------------- > I just read in the 'Max Topics' manual pdf (for max 4.6) that reverb ca be turned on for the DLS general midi synth. > > It states that i should use the following message to turn reverb on: > > ;# SM driver reverb 1/0 > > but it doesnt say what i should send that message to? > > Also, im assuming that portname is AU DLS Synth 1? > > Anyone know how to do this? > > Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------- Put the magic message in a message box and click on it. (Or, bang it.) ";" is magic, old school way of sending a message, in this case to #SM, which is internal to the Max application. Note the space between ; and #SM, and no space in #SM. mz -- || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist || http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ || http://www.mikezed.com/ From cycling74forum at opuslocus.net Thu May 1 15:54:12 2008 From: cycling74forum at opuslocus.net (John Pitcairn) Date: Thu May 1 15:54:19 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Controlling an RME FireFace 800 In-Reply-To: <2225f.4817fabe@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22389.481a3c04@www.cycling74.com> ... my reason for wanting such an external is that I'd like to improve the support for the Mackie Control, so the controller and FF800 function MUCH more like a hardware mixer, with familiar pre/post send busses, fader/mute groups and other stuff you can't currently do at all well with the RME MCU support. From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 16:03:18 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 16:03:24 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <22380.481a333c@www.cycling74.com> References: <22380.481a333c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <29951F12-4B4B-43EC-AF32-2FAD5EBBD5AD@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 2:16 PM, WPPK wrote: > Thanks. I'll take a look, but the text file seems a bit strange. Is > it correct? For Max 5? That's the new (as of 5.0.1) Copy Compressed format. SImply copy the lines, including the lines: ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- ----------end_max5_patcher---------- And do a New From Clipboard in Max. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 16:18:05 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 16:18:11 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <22382.481a34f0@www.cycling74.com> References: <22382.481a34f0@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <01E7F43F-E398-4C25-A2F9-52DBCE22E300@well.com> Don't hand this homework in until you understand how it works: ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 2108.3oc6cs0baZDE9Y4eELZ5SoNx6U1c6Ccl9GnO1W5joCRlnPqD3QBkKMS 5u8BrHaGaD6gK9nkHmGrExRv24aO22Cjud0r4Ky9b794A+RveFLa1WuZ1rp2 p7MlUe7r4ai97pMQ6q9XyyyVudS77qs+orC4ahyy+xcw1yw7jz74Auq9ulba 0WIa4e+VJO7324tn7UeHIc8esKdUt8qIjrEjqCD7vxeQCWvTLlg+nWd+4L8v 1jzhqYEZnO7lVjXe2x27aWcU4Ot9kVrjsIVTyTUrDsHVbc3TUr3sIVR9TUrX sIVLxTUrnsHVLsxqDq61EuONMOJOIK8wruPXgY0hvwebOz5.YPZiLjho.Yvn 0VXlARFLSajAidlIiz3OU.yiPLO9yUHa9gz6hV8OAIAIsZKbcaBdaNvnRYkf WI2gUbbIUb+I58Yo4oQaqtVy+i3c2FkFMuMln7KrO4eq9BzxHzMQPrdPPKOj mmk5zzQWINDILskkQoqal0nZ24dvYUWMqyR1iuPuPJIv3.pbr3.i6DU7SNfo YiDGvHtypwS4.gYr3.p6TfPmCNgCy82sIIOnvesIr2dLoJG19TFiPLExoRrf Z3Js55.qKAp5TNO+scIQaZz0IuAWmFr8bxn1biHhA60P5NyR+zhgVWjxHvA. 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You can use the [combine] object, or [sprintf symout %s%s]. HTH, ej From prestonandbully at gmail.com Thu May 1 17:20:22 2008 From: prestonandbully at gmail.com (Joel Swensen) Date: Thu May 1 17:20:28 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] test In-Reply-To: <189811.90911.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <48188731.8080201@cycling74.com> <189811.90911.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e4b0be30805011620n4db6718h2aba77b41c2735cb@mail.gmail.com> i can see you, must not be On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:18 AM, ROGER CARRUTHERS < roger.carruthers@btinternet.com> wrote: > I was about to do that myself - is the mailing list > down? > > --- Wallace Winfrey wrote: > > > blah > > _______________________________________________ > > maxmsp mailing list > > maxmsp@cycling74.com > > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/maxmsp/attachments/20080501/f909d9a0/attachment.htm From martin at movidesign.com Thu May 1 17:23:37 2008 From: martin at movidesign.com (Martin) Date: Thu May 1 17:23:44 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] maximum strange behavior Message-ID: <22392.481a50f8@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I'm using maximum to get the max value of a list in Max 5. The real maximum value is 69444700 and I get 69444704. The strangest thing is that there is no such value (69444704) in a list that consisting of 25 numbers dumped by a coll object. MJ From martin at movidesign.com Thu May 1 17:27:59 2008 From: martin at movidesign.com (Martin) Date: Thu May 1 17:28:04 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: maximum strange behavior In-Reply-To: <22392.481a50f8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22394.481a51ff@www.cycling74.com> By the way. the list is coming from a zl that is receiving data from a coll object From aeigenfeldt at gmail.com Thu May 1 17:34:28 2008 From: aeigenfeldt at gmail.com (Arne Eigenfeldt) Date: Thu May 1 17:34:34 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] combined symbol In-Reply-To: References: <2238d.481a4a6c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <15847ec30805011634k30c027f1m7871446c2599b01@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/1 Emmanuel Jourdan : > You can use the [combine] object Whoa. How long has this object existed? From c74-mailinglists at e--j.com Thu May 1 17:43:44 2008 From: c74-mailinglists at e--j.com (Emmanuel Jourdan) Date: Thu May 1 17:43:52 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] maximum strange behavior In-Reply-To: <22392.481a50f8@www.cycling74.com> References: <22392.481a50f8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <92F2D593-BACF-4C0A-A8DB-E82936F2AED1@e--j.com> On 2 mai 08, at 01:23, Martin wrote: > I'm using maximum to get the max value of a list in Max 5. The real > maximum value is 69444700 and I get 69444704. The strangest thing is > that there is no such value (69444704) in a list that consisting of > 25 numbers dumped by a coll object. I can reproduce that. Will fix. ej From c74-mailinglists at e--j.com Thu May 1 17:49:56 2008 From: c74-mailinglists at e--j.com (Emmanuel Jourdan) Date: Thu May 1 17:50:03 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] combined symbol In-Reply-To: <15847ec30805011634k30c027f1m7871446c2599b01@mail.gmail.com> References: <2238d.481a4a6c@www.cycling74.com> <15847ec30805011634k30c027f1m7871446c2599b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829C2D49-4FCF-466F-9DE3-5CE94DDAA577@e--j.com> On 2 mai 08, at 01:34, Arne Eigenfeldt wrote: > 2008/5/1 Emmanuel Jourdan : > >> You can use the [combine] object > > Whoa. How long has this object existed? 10 days ;-) It's new to Max 5. ej From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu May 1 17:53:12 2008 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu May 1 17:53:19 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Bonk~ for windows error in max 5? In-Reply-To: <22333.4819d1c8@www.cycling74.com> References: <22333.4819d1c8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <481A57E8.9050805@gmail.com> Same here. Max 5.0.1, XP Pro SP2, .NET 3.0 Even after having added all the miscellaneous msvcxxx.dll files in the Max 5 search path. f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| Laurence Teixeira a ?crit : > Hi guys, seems all my patches using bonk 1.3~ external throw up the same entry point assist_string error, and reports error 127 in max window. > > This is only tested on Windows Max 5. Anyone else having the same problem? > > Cheers. > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp > From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 18:09:00 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 18:09:07 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger Message-ID: <2239a.481a5b9a@www.cycling74.com> ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 790.3oc0XssbaBCD8Y7WgJ80DWj3hg1m5GP6OPmLYDfhs5.BOfbpaxj+8JVD wWhwnXLzVOig.RHe1yd1yJxyyrriK1xprQeF8Cjk0yyrrfaUeCK80V14zsIY zJXZ1B1uJh+o8MMCIYakvsWWxVyDoHb6HOTHjBZNCF8qkbZV6HhM4bQFSBqG duoWweBlNFO2Y2bK1HOdx7TXUU331EsqZyzj+dMqIZrsQ2oGZMUlrhKVdeIK Q1LJA6n9MPdtd0mBfKvQycP2U+HuLaV8gaFFkjTjkghohkrxuQqVMlDi2aIl ftIla16qIjT.o9TDdGIoelJ5isK5G+d8xUGx0m2OpQ1ew9fmH8dE9T+H2Skx Rd7FYi.z5U10xlkGyfPwAtAjOtRYE4pRV0JD1ww4clQHmNi3G4iCWXpdEOH8 pa.nWW.IDhyEpWeHqPgywTORNQfG1YjqvCU1JaLhFHMJxvAU1lTjmyDx2nPd fmIYkUHENgxW0e8HqDQQUrjBQZ67y3B00aDvC4NhjoyIHSuWydkKia3FfY1c .uWc5IXRsRh3CLYP.Tn6ccM.Uo0THkNssDvjNUZ8Jvb80sB.BwOXPBrbVUEc I6M7B9ZY8XLkDdYtNZ1fP7Zp5l6qXiEWWQh1Ol7WwMl3NH6XRXiZAGLOxgD3 5M.SYEViYkWmRkyPBmvYl30IIvEl4K65DtmahV07eU6onqW2Ic4x.6N049r4 6ZYMQca7s6eOhQ5FyiQL+TFhq5Hi7FcKhSIL7N+FoMYCzNMsWCGTYQGjyG9j 50WTelOwsT75ofw.dosKq6XHZj772scJYflHt8ahXDuD.JknEChWTuXkrPbV Cg96Od46jRGKQQfzmzd7fPAddXizG8uf.Vu56eX7UUroLoEA529GsaatorJI WPkbUXuaNAGLmU7zTlXeitbd55BkopFBcv0lhnZ6hdgzhIERAFfH+IEQ0uKX uPBOsPx.DcTtcrgDw.HobbP3ICQtFfn+M4noCQlT+GMsbjIosiJIG8xMSRbS KjLwShLsp6HSfzzJuIdlhoK0VRcwKy9CDPlnNA -----------end_max5_patcher----------- The 1st value is always so small in comparison to the rest of the taps (BPM). Is there an object that will throw out values in a list that are not within a threshold value of each other? So if I tap 4 times, say the tempo calculated are 20, 100, 105, and 98, 20 would automatically get tossed? Or even simpler, an object that will toss out the 1st number, or the lowest in a list? Am I thinking about this all wrong and ignoring the obvious? -- -DonK From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu May 1 18:18:45 2008 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu May 1 18:18:56 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] problem opening Glogal Transport patch from Extra folder Message-ID: <481A5DE5.2050803@gmail.com> I got this : jpatchline_completeconnection: index out of range. patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range jpatchline_completeconnection: index out of range. patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range ? f.e -- f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 18:22:32 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 18:22:38 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <2239a.481a5b9a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2239d.481a5ec7@www.cycling74.com> Fixed a couple little things in the patch, but the first bang is still always much smaller than the rest of the bangs. Anyone able to explain why? ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 791.3ocyX1kbaBCDG+Y7oPk9ZhKRHvP6S8.zdA5jIiLnXqNfviPj5lL4tWg. hIIfshwnFOiAqOY0O8e2U3GW33ttXOszE7Uvu.NNOtvwQWUcENskcbyI6SxH k5t4lSKKIantW0zljtWpqOIiRDc0dWAWxI4TcKeWvHYcsvqxY7LpTOYndcuj 8ft6P3RuC8snR10YXasrT8rVr92WC86l1l9I+6NZyZw0EbSaS6HxjsL9laEz DYSqv.r5g.7iQ5a5BvUK8.2TOjmVrn9xUFBDN8OJa4M7XmftixSAv2ISfSjI qNOjffd8PRnt.L9xhjjhrLvZBeCU7CR414DL32BlvwAyU89Z.jvH8sX3AH0N lRx8cS5m+Y8zUujqu2eUCb+l6KFQ5sJ6S8PtkHkB15JYiGoyyz0wklulpWJd 5Jz6Gu2ck6xJTPZNoNZ.WznQwtxdHxN3Xj3DoEmwQSRblTjmS4x2nNuikIoh RfxN0hT0utmJ.DPIMofm10+LFWUthqGj+LBSuAfI94cOwl0MrQSlCWf8TiCP R+PcvNTPiadnVNiurt4ps0T8VpcC7AQipzNo.yOnMfmFHAgSRfMVFRnmmkyO Fcd4BZoAB0jkDsL3xmdTtUPK2BPWHjDDG.iVYJWP9SJIIJpQs.CWF6gB8wpp 7NW7TohrKtLtJGABCDYFgGEBLtYwk88h5EMoU0btj3+R5o3KW1oV2kIlcZzS SxNjxxRYaBbO8IgvQsgHlg07CYfMhhpc.7rGiXHkA93mWzjyqzjrMDNI+hQn ym9h5T5pOKsbNE7I7XLfKcoY8mCUijkSm02Cc.sh+oihXDWB0dSwqlDWTu+f rfezHBmNA44eTp10RbbyaJ0c8EKE830mj9U+0C54qt9Wt9JKpDIcVP2aU.Nb P2TZojwIRlZcenS0dv85zVVZJk2OVWNKcWgJtZqQLBsM1l7MvlBspI8JBLrI sxplzpObPJz.KJvpVDx.KpVrAslEYhzF+gjQ1yhLwWK1tLxjssWEJc1iRZxF mcMISxkfrq5N1DSxtxaD1Ta5bCKoJ7zh+4ZXgFB -----------end_max5_patcher----------- -- -DonK From personalcomputermusic at gmail.com Thu May 1 18:26:24 2008 From: personalcomputermusic at gmail.com (f.e) Date: Thu May 1 18:26:31 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: problem opening Glogal Transport patch from Extra folder In-Reply-To: <481A5DE5.2050803@gmail.com> References: <481A5DE5.2050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481A5FB0.4050107@gmail.com> My fault. I had several [transport] objects (to people using the excellent st.tools from stefan tiedje, there's one to rename). I also had another [round] from jasch objects, and a [divmod] from ... RTCLib ? Cheers f.e f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music >>>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com >>>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people| f.e a ?crit : > I got this : > > jpatchline_completeconnection: index out of range. > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > jpatchline_completeconnection: index out of range. > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > patcher: jpatchline_new: outlet index out of range > > ? > > f.e > From Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com Thu May 1 18:39:21 2008 From: Slowmotionwalter at hotmail.com (WPPK) Date: Thu May 1 18:39:26 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2239f.481a62b9@www.cycling74.com> Any chance you can put this in a text that 4.6 will open. I can't open it. Thanks. From martin at movidesign.com Thu May 1 18:39:43 2008 From: martin at movidesign.com (Martin) Date: Thu May 1 18:39:49 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] if object makes max5 crash Message-ID: <223a0.481a62cf@www.cycling74.com> Hi, Max5 crashes when trying to open the if object help. MJ I'm running an intel Macbook pro with Leopard. From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 18:41:27 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 18:41:34 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <2239a.481a5b9a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a1.481a6336@www.cycling74.com> CNMAT has lbyl "Look Before You Leap" which doe reality checking on a stream of numbers. I have an abstraction called "TossFirstPancake" which gets rid of the first of a series of times: ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 1761.3oc4asrjhaCEcM7Un3rKEoikjelrJaxtjJqxltR0k.KnUFiMksnSOyT y+dzCavF7Cgav3tyTUCXaI4y8n6KIcmuNel0xzWo4VfeF7HX1ruNe1L0sj2X Vw0yr1RdcULIW0LqD5+lt7erVneDm9JWc6c.dZd9uwxx4+IIYE4SzxljtmGS 47OuipeMVVf+t3QrHUeEi2O5XW19UowoY5lZ+fWXfMNbA.9f8Bwk1pecn+6H 7UOyR17TFcEW2EDT2JWW4Wg9pKBpzm0oI7DxVEXr90LFIt7EmreKKQ.Ukbhp z7b1WTMWLzNXWOuvicPKbpd.qBJZVAEVvghAhESeglkyRSpz5YVGgtODqQqB 5NHO4WX+vifWL2rINc0mnJdyt7lQz0W1njtilbrG1G31xOp2RVxtLZNMgS3E fu5alrOl+TMVB+PHzAgbapQqIqnsNBMNsLyZSFKJMQhjZ8Td6x24ihIb8zdU vqZQBYWCclmlFujj8BKmsLlVaBQn9SRXaIbJmowCx9P+Xa2kwR30FqsTNIhv IZfTYtppoUEUgZlX0t+IlZqR2tUP6kDQM6M4LBGPVyoY.9yYTJPh1bvNZFKM ZAHMS.aPNcUZRTd0QHlkHt4dsLfp7fJFivfp8nAqLXnihtwZ6KWkhCthYV2l ZmatAOoasoLctYmc4C9174k+Xw.I7Z91py2QzXxmq9jybqsjjrwpl7WgQQnd XTTHR4vRYt5nXWDrK97unYQjDRqLJpMFU9dZiLgiCYxAKAr9IyE.KksVKbJz wLN0+pwovgvonwgS+A.tSFsSlzyLlz0WGL4is14a0T2tOxTGqx2++Kl5h3m1 1uYycDzLdUqj5i9XatGmRhDw6yAcSrsax2GaFn7ZhzZoA1WW17YVTDMYvb70 T2c4dNWjU6fM2gt8PjXG0hWfNJsSjc4m0FvVYpamfqGVqVjpdDphL9vp0Zfb K+bHxT0o4xLdUILVjaKErVtpRqqnn2Uh0EqdMuEhou73zIaDJ+vK3N4B5ZlR rBJCyEC1LCi.SUg5vePKpPpEIYMVA5f8jSqL3VOw3bLxrC5pBtgC+.Dhqe8q 0hPcsyXtFwX2PcrC9KFG0rMDNcXlidFwTnvvqkt0cOsTY9QjMzF4wAl1jugA 60oehU5cvv20rHOcylX5fWaYfYpc53lSmri5cu2ZKwo9RP.6EdvijC9CPFBc wTmlCWKbVeYJnWDRQ1lgSIR63t8J2W0V1sWkDIedyrYd59rUklREYAHRlnpv EQy4rjC6+9iG7neR6NttpphwVVztTgMZd4NTazr+khZQjXfsAn14r1cOQMzT X6OofM1PT2f3cOgcfgv1aXn1M7AWYJLpnHUt3FIMdlNILolC7MD0ACC0XQ.c Iuq2FthIA4E2JCX3UPdfiueGScxKO4nIjWdnigzsB2SH+7FarNshOI20ayzS rmT5IHSMKU319cWVLnokS8FXwqaBAHjizSNDqWXq1Iu5pakDgtwRD1FNtRjo pVPuIkpkysMegFQcwMEvWWSU4jWnQOIdKhkD9DgyyXK2y0K2pZMVYPwDYTEK 0UwHEmtjDWTiWGZikQ05Tq27LfL+Hen9TOOZR44UeOuNtR7UwTR1kURdGVVd iU.jqideB0VO5xAx+JUmcvxUg2zF7bgDRa0qXFcGMIB.uLNw2p2ROrfR7rOc u+LkRf2IJYUZbLPdVmzremj+b6DyhJ+0DI40OI4n2ouP3nPRNUbiTHDe+eHg uTjkeWUpAV+xQoxPGOzsKKpIyga4tNNUf5VYc8wfr3jSitwp1qKkSjtLyBFE dGM.Zn91IdT6bMKlSyxAhgWojJ90KzL.onFGKaesxaD2.I4zAIg8zUii9707 NT2X2TRx95YAKKJDcozL2fJYnwsstQZo3XG0Emnq2j0wVaA+fGJ+HCcyGzOa HSHVYPoRa7cTjOY0Bm+L.cgTBB2u2EjtNgfPuGBsQdXm5mkyajYbCcgA9WO5 Yuvoc6oDUbZ8sZwf5zQhcPEGItmcpVuQKlNXBz8HxSnApFZykIbfmVSTjcLZ TCEdPWI43DT3hXLj4qXbjuDC1jkteGvo6j.aTWvwfrPzwY8fC0t.MJ1EsvNe 2OIRtW7uG5whow+aN0O4TFlEOTsl6VfE11N7mdvKRi7hAAWfPs0j6nvKCQeo VojdAIegLvURndUSkedXXZzeQ6Swp9U+rp0R1o6JTg7c9tAUaiFM4HdOeafZ dKfNirMERXSPj8nBIjiAXRlQ0wcr+lioPSgz3QSAl.owUYBhL.SAiqxjIJ3v wESlneGNtrjAHBOIQz34Bvy.D4NpbjuAHxaTQTnIp19iqOI7jikfl35N7s35 Vbw2l+efdoCJP -----------end_max5_patcher----------- -- Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 18:46:37 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 18:46:45 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <2235e.481a14ca@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a2.481a646d@www.cycling74.com> Here it is in Max 4, but only because I had an older version. I think that people sticking with Max 4 are going to be orphans before too long. #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P hidden comment 0 412 55 196617 lower left; #P window linecount 2; #P comment 2 34 442 196617 Steps through a random pattern between RangeLow and RangeHigh. A bang in NewPattern creates a new random pattern (and reports the seed). Seeds can be passed in through NewPattern.; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 318 195 40 196617 t b b i; #P newex 372 243 27 196617 - 0; #P newex 318 169 27 196617 - 1; #P newex 69 366 27 196617 + 1; #N comlet Seed; #P outlet 274 397 15 0; #P comment 289 397 34 196617 Seed; #P newex 184 104 72 196617 route bang int; #P comment 313 83 57 196617 Range Low; #N comlet Range Low; #P inlet 296 83 15 0; #P comment 389 83 64 196617 Range High; #P comment 145 83 35 196617 Reset; #P comment 85 83 29 196617 Trig; #P newex 38 182 30 196617 t b b; #P number 184 156 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 184 136 70 196617 random 9999; #P newex 184 200 85 196617 prepend set seed; #P newex 130 216 30 196617 t b b; #P message 184 242 69 196617 seed 5343; #P newex 69 324 40 196617 urn 52; #B color 5; #P message 130 242 37 196617 clear; #P button 69 242 15 0; #P comment 200 83 64 196617 NewPattern; #N comlet Reset; #P inlet 130 83 15 0; #N comlet NewPattern; #P inlet 184 83 15 0; #N comlet Range High; #P inlet 372 83 15 0; #N comlet Trig; #P inlet 69 83 15 0; #N comlet Index; #P outlet 69 397 15 0; #P comment 84 397 34 196617 Index; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 18.; #P comment 2 6 108 196626 UrnCounter; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P comment 110 15 100 196617 Deck Shuffler; #P connect 29 2 28 1; #P connect 29 1 28 0; #P connect 5 0 28 0; #P connect 27 0 29 0; #P fasten 21 0 26 1 301 360 91 360; #P connect 21 0 27 0; #P fasten 16 0 25 0 189 181 279 181; #P connect 23 1 14 0; #P lcolor 7; #P connect 23 1 25 0; #P lcolor 7; #P connect 14 0 12 0; #P connect 13 1 12 0; #P connect 29 0 12 0; #P connect 16 0 14 0; #P connect 15 0 16 0; #P connect 23 0 15 0; #P connect 6 0 23 0; #P connect 13 0 10 0; #P connect 7 0 13 0; #P connect 17 1 13 0; #P fasten 28 0 11 1 377 318 104 318; #P connect 26 0 3 0; #P connect 11 0 26 0; #P connect 9 0 11 0; #P connect 12 0 11 0; #P connect 10 0 11 0; #P connect 4 0 9 0; #P connect 17 0 9 0; #P fasten 11 1 17 0 104 349 28 349 28 176 43 176; #P window clipboard copycount 32; -- Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From bradcariou at shaw.ca Thu May 1 19:14:16 2008 From: bradcariou at shaw.ca (Brad Cariou) Date: Thu May 1 19:14:23 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Random Number Generation Without Numbers Repeating Twice in a Row In-Reply-To: <223a2.481a646d@www.cycling74.com> References: <223a2.481a646d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <94B5AEBA-0CD7-4E8E-9B69-197F128BE239@shaw.ca> I would also like to point out that in the Max4 examples folder, in misc-max-trix/notes-and-pitch/random w_o repeat a patch called urn-jb- help.pat does this. The same patch is in the Max5 examples, in max- tricks/random_with_no_repeat. Brad On 1-May-08, at 6:46 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > Here it is in Max 4, but only because I had an older version. I > think that people sticking with Max 4 are going to be orphans before > too long. > > > > > > -- > Chris Muir > cbm@well.com > http://www.xfade.com > > > _______________________________________________ > maxmsp mailing list > maxmsp@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/maxmsp From jaybodley at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:15:17 2008 From: jaybodley at gmail.com (Jay Bodley) Date: Thu May 1 19:15:23 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] dc offset Message-ID: <223a4.481a6b24@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I'm wondering about DC offsets, and why they happen when certain signals are added together. I've noticed that in some cases the offset is positive and in others it is negative, and I'm wondering why this is. Is there any hard and fast rules about how offsets are created? I'd like to know when I'm adding signals together without having to test with scope~. ,Bye From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:23:50 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 19:23:56 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <2239a.481a5b9a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a5.481a6d26@www.cycling74.com> I'll check out lbyl later, but your patcher is perfect for what I want to do. Pancakes at the Pantry in LA on me for Chris! Thanks. -- -DonK From sergiovilhena at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:26:37 2008 From: sergiovilhena at gmail.com (Sergio Martins) Date: Thu May 1 19:26:42 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: if object makes max5 crash In-Reply-To: <223a0.481a62cf@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a6.481a6dcd@www.cycling74.com> same here...crashes too :| From sergiovilhena at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:31:00 2008 From: sergiovilhena at gmail.com (Sergio Martins) Date: Thu May 1 19:31:06 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] messages bug Message-ID: <223a7.481a6ed3@www.cycling74.com> I supose this happens to everybody... When i click on the right inlet, a list of avaliable messages apears, when i choose one of them, it connects to the left inlet, and not to the right as suposed. Can anybody confirm that too? From kjg at msmrz.net Thu May 1 19:36:08 2008 From: kjg at msmrz.net (Klaas-Jan Govaart) Date: Thu May 1 19:36:14 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Intelligent [Clip 0. 1.] In-Reply-To: <2236b.481a1fc3@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a8.481a7008@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Bertrand Fraysse wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 21:53 ---------------------------------------------------- > I had no idea on how to name this topic... > Whatever. > > So, i've got an algorithm problem. > > When X < 0 it clips to 0. > But if for exemple I was going from 0 to -2 and then from -2 to -1 it have to output 1. > > When X > 1 it clips to 1. > But if for exemple I was going from 1 to 2 and then from 2 to 1 it have to output 0. am i understanding you correctly that this is the algorithm? if the number is within range then output the number, else (if the number is rising then 1, if the number is falling then 0) you could do it like this: #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P flonum 234 341 35 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P comment 314 312 86 196617 rising or falling?; #P comment 395 215 18 196617 no; #P comment 192 216 24 196617 yes; #P comment 314 89 14 196617 2; #P comment 181 89 19 196617 -1; #P comment 270 89 14 196617 1; #P newex 183 125 34 196617 / 10.; #P user hslider 183 103 18 128 31 1 -10 0; #P newex 183 341 32 196617 print; #P newex 295 242 30 196617 t f 1; #P newex 295 262 27 196617 t f f; #P newex 312 289 124 196617 if $f1 > $f2 then 1 else 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P flonum 183 157 35 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P newex 183 194 226 196617 if $f1 >= 0. == $f1 <= 1. then $f1 else out2 $f1; #P comment 227 89 14 196617 0; #P comment 263 178 100 196617 within range?; #P connect 8 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 3 0; #P connect 3 0 2 0; #P connect 4 0 7 0; #P connect 2 0 7 0; #P connect 4 0 16 0; #P connect 2 0 16 0; #P connect 2 1 6 0; #P connect 6 0 5 0; #P connect 5 1 4 0; #P fasten 5 0 4 1 300 283 431 283; From kjg at msmrz.net Thu May 1 19:39:27 2008 From: kjg at msmrz.net (Klaas-Jan Govaart) Date: Thu May 1 19:39:33 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Intelligent [Clip 0. 1.] In-Reply-To: <223a8.481a7008@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223a9.481a70cf@www.cycling74.com> i forgot the clip object.. saves quite some typing.. #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P comment 172 188 18 196617 no; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P flonum 172 312 35 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P comment 252 283 86 196617 rising or falling?; #P comment 130 187 24 196617 yes; #P comment 252 60 14 196617 2; #P comment 119 60 19 196617 -1; #P comment 208 60 14 196617 1; #P newex 121 96 34 196617 / 10.; #P user hslider 121 74 18 128 31 1 -10 0; #P newex 121 312 32 196617 print; #P newex 233 213 30 196617 t f 1; #P newex 233 233 27 196617 t f f; #P newex 250 260 124 196617 if $f1 > $f2 then 1 else 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P flonum 121 128 35 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P newex 121 165 54 196617 split 0. 1.; #P comment 165 60 14 196617 0; #P comment 180 167 100 196617 within range?; #P connect 8 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 3 0; #P connect 3 0 2 0; #P connect 4 0 7 0; #P connect 2 0 7 0; #P connect 4 0 15 0; #P connect 2 0 15 0; #P connect 2 1 6 0; #P connect 6 0 5 0; #P connect 5 1 4 0; #P fasten 5 0 4 1 238 254 369 254; From cjlacke at ilstu.edu Thu May 1 19:46:41 2008 From: cjlacke at ilstu.edu (Seejay James) Date: Thu May 1 19:46:47 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Note Quantizer (to scale or collection of notes) In-Reply-To: <22269.48183196@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223aa.481a7281@www.cycling74.com> Pitch quantize could utilize a select, which then only bangs certain notes. For tempo quantize, you can use a set $1 message to the anticipated note (instead of sending it right away), then use a global metro to bang the note out...in whatever subdivision you want. That way the notes always sound (or go into a seq or whatever) in a quantized manner. --CJ From kjg at msmrz.net Thu May 1 19:47:07 2008 From: kjg at msmrz.net (Klaas-Jan Govaart) Date: Thu May 1 19:47:12 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: if object makes max5 crash In-Reply-To: <223a6.481a6dcd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223ab.481a7299@www.cycling74.com> yes, and expr too. it happens both with and without arguments. intel, 10.4.11, 5.0.1 if > alt-click > crash expr > alt-click > crash From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 19:57:20 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 19:57:24 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <2239a.481a5b9a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223ad.481a74ff@www.cycling74.com> Here's what I came up with. Seems to work. :) ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 2014.3oc4bszjaZDD9r1eEDxsjMqmG7L4TxgT4hSkJUpbwUpsFIlUKwHfBF4 3Gk+uGXFPBj.TiDLKNwkM6Jz.z82zcOecSO9S2sxbcx644lFeuwaLVs5S2sZ k7TkmXU0mWYti89MQrb4vL2jraGOVXdu56D72Kjm+OXoF+9yeP77Niegmwq+ 9nvX9lj8wxAQpN4SIwhX1Nt7B+wrPVT8vi2uKYuHhKjOLTiwmG9Q43w3GpOc Xf7Fjr9u+NGq56vSYaWqzGTw.abn35L9qpAkxDadNLd6iY7MB0nI9VxQIO5J ORIMtjBIKLtVvvkm6y2cW4g6ABbE2f07LyQBA0Pl5ThOjxUhqYX4bfg4ZV7V yCBI.fhZ1OFXa4Hw.OR4OrUvl+TBBhjsai3cqp3gT0ChPScAOjtf8ZnKDT8w IbBk+OERwYNB63hrDCJBM1o5d0+wNGa6ODtfj11Dh7GNWXNlbE3ReQHx34bg gfklNd2.3QBrsu0HA1Rm.Kocii+z6CrduPjDeS1.M02gbnUJg0r4Bz2TM6c7 L1VdtgkQofmOiS23ac5lphyY4ph8MGQ85Cl9oe60FEZc5dwLBPnoBfbHyF.8 TTRw8XxVar31wtpUGs7FvYhXSZfC9dSOLzyJJuxf9vjsXhBaFCl3..Sn0Dlr m5US5AS91BS2WPLwB.lfTATn3oeI1kInPuLnPcktMty.siocYULZ.kolTohC 0brv5RIfHYHmepixq21ctRWXw.C1CACHu+u.CD.d3yGLzSTu8worMusfEi5u iElnWDlN4WFCfg..XDYNFdTsAXoFhj77eNLKW7ar3Mr2xu1EM1jDkjUyozw2 CQ8kzI6fX4YvaO3H5AKpsiieGqu..Lwpfw9tpb+6c8kl2HdVEDVggEBTXDuH Cl7vh0SNpsqLO93bwpoKOaUBVNpE2ZL6UL2rMJYya4AM3quxLf+z3tKIo73i WwIL2QmNxv3zxzriELQkv27Iy1GIdrEZSevGaQH1cMnmXa38dG5zJYk41rvf j3RIo0UVd55mYwxm1pDIZJ7xQDyR63hEIIQqYYuKLObcDu0DRg4OKNbGSvEg J4gfNbcg6RyBUEd7v41wEr.lfoDjFyUMKCZCSgVtXsN+fo30UgOXOI3YFhmy 3biRoM2HkmElDbuQRVgXajy2jDGj27NzUwSG1Os+TEO2S6j49SI.407VBI2w dYKUUYUpai7GodmbgmGraUc.O0ub+UNyzJHX6Il.dD6Cl8gq+IOKfEy5GYwM 9lgYVdN3Sd.0MteXM19KTsJ+SUUpTLPwCAlD8.lBi0FgWOXRtHXde6JAOBLE aACScAioZx.8aLnyj440hjNvPREIPkG+hv5bQ5pitDXpVoz0cA5pWrPKBsLc 2IXX3pxH0krXb2KRuHnfXPtAZlrTuJW9Vn4ygAA73SePcfwdxXoDksqGRuXb qZAc6tyMQC6KXaQsT06yxt6ZCMuJtRYfQFroVcAkphyFUltBwt93.5TiunlZ rjqZEIXtwSkoeZNgp9PLvqRyM+5cqPiOJzTweVwJQVj.GO85GIuqSRrlF.CE lGjGTaMTO1ZxztL00Jh3Yi7aUmdbkKFZAx0FWUKJ+ubruZWLtydsmfT6a1F6 PfE8XlskI3KHpANf.YhuOTaqoj+ZIQJ1Vdm33RhekKPBEJdpzydsyyKJ1pgs t4jLan1dvrcTK9oaZTWrZd5jHAdxXRPUsyjm5U1q2P8CAomxJTmfKcxno41f ir+UhtGqHcYse6ohzxGd422MrmmrOaSsKXEE.i1xQ.OWDFe3cD7lCtjmLtiY 60D91EFjlT3amWWEcPlIiUpsAJ0kkjZAI1k0uElbaecxMEgkcYCs50shN7o4 RiPyrFU1GEZUifZZUVHokjoEFpbiVdxMFpbiWLxcGQV5wv2ZQg2XnA76HV0K tbigJ2KH6D7Dr.KV6hs67RKnJNNopef7O7gYRc.6rtnr48.J0WIImJX2G0XN vGMayAzYlovb4.CkPf6WjLjWVqNAMHuyDFiu5jEhupuuxYuiG7XwSoH6sGYB QV358BU5Vs5Cr9azoasQo575.2ZV8NnsQIqYQUs01gGs4cGwiQ1Bgsqh1wT1 2DwYYSVulOldpDOXaliUUJxSkLtpwib0Pq2mlwS4wAF3WDLw8xcFIQ8NXczW e4tIIJRt8u3Yulk+7XAFqdAl6a7uwr0WAzKtpV41+BaYCbivHUB0W+qkhSoJ W2X00Zsg4ObTJAF3guacUeid8dt8LqT1iAp9q3EZ2ohICtgEQG2whpMh4+Ma kde.8xrmul2nYeLxXaVx9zCcc1sCPC5jZ6ai8b6.b.r8pp9gCd3MeyDFh+qd UQzyh+7RtEq.X0nPDap110YkMyb1z6QMFbAvNOSs+Jn1K8MdFfsXi5+iJNt2 tmt3B8w16iQZhuWeQDvXe.r9Ta0RKxE17GM.F4HZ+tVT3zoY0TgVmm5XqRsB I48ySio6TXNapCrHQWbhj6hShH.jHZyLPWLRj9vHK.RjuVkHHV1VH8BRPB.X oUQxGfDg0KJQfXcaoWyahMTYReAAr.YgqWyIhCTYRe3jMDbRRZPi.ELgRuF4 mhA8DEWyAnfrxhqdMxgDF+jnXZQlvWRlr0uLQtjLoWtbPhOQzLq.HV3V5Elr .EG2SuScX.xjslCiCIhodiD3PgBS3EEKyaZckhO7469W.P4AIn. -----------end_max5_patcher----------- -- -DonK From stine.eli at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:17:42 2008 From: stine.eli at gmail.com (Eli Stine) Date: Thu May 1 20:17:47 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: if object makes max5 crash In-Reply-To: <223ab.481a7299@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223af.481a79c5@www.cycling74.com> I concur. Same setup as person above. From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:30:34 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 20:30:39 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Note Quantizer (to scale or collection of notes) In-Reply-To: <22269.48183196@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223b3.481a7cc9@www.cycling74.com> Also, Vince Manzo has a nice set of tools for working with modes. http://vincemanzo.com/modal_change -- -DonK From cbranje at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:31:52 2008 From: cbranje at gmail.com (Carmen Branje) Date: Thu May 1 20:31:59 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <01E7F43F-E398-4C25-A2F9-52DBCE22E300@well.com> Message-ID: <223b4.481a7d18@www.cycling74.com> am I missing something . . . it seems from you post like you posted a max patch but all I'm getting is this text . . ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- 2108.3oc6cs0baZDE9Y4eELZ5SoNx6U1c6Ccl9GnO1W5joCRlnPqD3QBkKMS 5u8BrHaGaD6gK9nkHmGrExRv24aO22Cjud0r4Ky9b794A+RveFLa1WuZ1rp2 p7MlUe7r4ai97pMQ6q9XyyyVudS77qs+orC4ahyy+xcw1yw7jz74Auq9ulba 0WIa4e+VJO7324tn7UeHIc8esKdUt8qIjrEjqCD7vxeQCWvTLlg+nWd+4L8v 1jzhqYEZnO7lVjXe2x27aWcU4Ot9kVrjsIVTyTUrDsHVbc3TUr3sIVR9TUrX sIVLxTUrnsHVLsxqDq61EuONMOJOIK8wruPXgY0hvwebOz5.YPZiLjho.Yvn 0VXlARFLSajAidlIiz3OU.yiPLO9yUHa9gz6hV8OAIAIsZKbcaBdaNvnRYkf WI2gUbbIUb+I58Yo4oQaqtVy+i3c2FkFMuMln7KrO4eq9BzxHzMQPrdPPKOj mmk5zzQWINDILskkQoqal0nZ24dvYUWMqyR1iuPuPJIv3.pbr3.i6DU7SNfo YiDGvHtypwS4.gYr3.p6TfPmCNgCy82sIIOnvesIr2dLoJG19TFiPLExoRrf Z3Js55.qKAp5TNO+scIQaZz0IuAWmFr8bxn1biHhA60P5NyR+zhgVWjxHvA. 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Carmen From stine.eli at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:34:24 2008 From: stine.eli at gmail.com (Eli Stine) Date: Thu May 1 20:34:30 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 new patcher preferences, grid and more In-Reply-To: <48199C36.3040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <223b6.481a7db0@www.cycling74.com> Remember, you can also change the size of the grid. Default is 15x15, but I've found that 10x10 works well also. As I make patches in Max 5 I always seem to have snap-to-grid on as I begin, but toward the end of the patch I turn it off when I need to squeeze stuff in and make minor graphical and sequential adjustments. I think a good way to use the grid is to measure the length of the object box which will change depending on the font you're using and set up the grid to be that size, so boxes fit snuggly. From Dynamicell at hotmail.com Thu May 1 21:14:36 2008 From: Dynamicell at hotmail.com (Nicholas C. Raftis III) Date: Thu May 1 21:14:40 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 bpatchers presentation In-Reply-To: <22301.4819313a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223b9.481a871c@www.cycling74.com> I tried that of course -- -=ili!ili=- www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=- From Dynamicell at hotmail.com Thu May 1 21:15:26 2008 From: Dynamicell at hotmail.com (Nicholas C. Raftis III) Date: Thu May 1 21:15:33 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 bpatchers presentation In-Reply-To: <223b9.481a871c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223ba.481a874d@www.cycling74.com> and really gregory, no need for rude replys. -- -=ili!ili=- www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=- From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 21:17:53 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 21:17:58 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Message only sent when manually banged In-Reply-To: <223b4.481a7d18@www.cycling74.com> References: <223b4.481a7d18@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <224AB307-BA83-4622-9F28-8FE78ECA245F@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Carmen Branje wrote: > > am I missing something . . . it seems from you post like you posted > a max patch but all I'm getting is this text . . Yeah, copy the lines starting with ----------begin_max5_patcher---------- and ending with ----------end_max5_patcher---------- And go to Max 5.0.1 or greater and select New From Clipboard. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 21:21:39 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 21:21:44 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <223a5.481a6d26@www.cycling74.com> References: <223a5.481a6d26@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <6207712E-8B37-49F3-B2F3-5C1C59F3A29F@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Don K wrote: > Pancakes at the Pantry in LA on me for Chris! I found that place during either a NAMM (when it was in LA) or at an AES. Love it in all of its "Old LA" charm. Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From zicarell at cycling74.com Thu May 1 21:30:53 2008 From: zicarell at cycling74.com (David Zicarelli) Date: Thu May 1 21:31:01 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 bpatchers presentation In-Reply-To: <223ba.481a874d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223bd.481a8aec@www.cycling74.com> I don't know what you tried exactly, but let me try again to explain what you need to do. Use the Patcher Inspector on the patcher you want to put into the bpatcher, check Open in Presentation, then save that patcher. Then when you put it into a bpatcher, it will be in presentation mode. David Z. From Dynamicell at hotmail.com Thu May 1 21:46:03 2008 From: Dynamicell at hotmail.com (Nicholas C. Raftis III) Date: Thu May 1 21:46:08 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 bpatchers presentation In-Reply-To: <223bd.481a8aec@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223bf.481a8e7a@www.cycling74.com> Ahh ok thank you very much David, I had thought just turning it into presentation mode when I saved it meant that it would automatically open in presentation. That works perfectly. This type of response is very helpful, in contrast to Gregory, which seems to often reply in a condescending manner. In fact almost all of the replies Ive ever gotten from you have served only to make me feel like I am stupid for not knowing something, or made me feel that my methods or ideas are wrong. -- -=ili!ili=- www.Axiom-Crux.net -=ili!ili=- From cbm at well.com Thu May 1 21:50:55 2008 From: cbm at well.com (Chris Muir) Date: Thu May 1 21:51:01 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 bpatchers presentation In-Reply-To: <223ba.481a874d@www.cycling74.com> References: <223ba.481a874d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2EB02AAD-3616-4618-BC70-10CA8A07E21E@well.com> On May 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Nicholas C. Raftis III wrote: > and really gregory, no need for rude replys. I didn't interpret Gregory's reply as rude. It was accurate, too. To elaborate: Save the patch that you want to use as a bpatcher with "Open in Presentation" mode set. Now when you embed it as a bpatcher, you will see the presentation layer. -C Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com From aroth21 at rogers.com Thu May 1 22:15:50 2008 From: aroth21 at rogers.com (Andrew Roth) Date: Thu May 1 22:15:54 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Cyclops in Max 5? Message-ID: <223c2.481a9573@www.cycling74.com> Is Cyclops compatible with Max 5? If it is, how do I install it? The installer is putting it in the Max 4.6 folder and copying over the components doesn't seem to work. From aroth21 at rogers.com Thu May 1 22:25:14 2008 From: aroth21 at rogers.com (Andrew Roth) Date: Thu May 1 22:25:21 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max on a tablet...running OSX? In-Reply-To: <1f2bb.47a1cf20@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223c4.481a97a9@www.cycling74.com> Resurrecting an older thread, sorry, but a promise is a promise. I finally have a Modbook and it's really great. I'm a little frustrated by the quickclicks workflow though, I find there are some combinations of things that are fussy. For one, using the opt/alt button (sticky) means I usually am duping an object or getting help on it. When I get help on it, it's usually for a quick reference then I close the patch. I forget the button is sticky so it attempts to close both windows. It's like relearning not to hit command w when you mean to hit command e. Also when I command tap to edit I can waste a lot of time if I've left the command button stuck. Sensitivity is perfect for max and you can use inkwell to create objects if you like, but that gets a bit fussy. Still can't track down any current Max objects for the Wacom. Any new ones surfacing out there? From vakyoomluigi at aol.com Thu May 1 22:59:18 2008 From: vakyoomluigi at aol.com (Charles) Date: Thu May 1 22:59:23 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Noteout Message-ID: <223c5.481a9fa5@www.cycling74.com> Is there any way to route the audio from the noteout object into other objects without hearing the sound coming from noteout? From andrew.jensen at yahoo.com Thu May 1 23:00:29 2008 From: andrew.jensen at yahoo.com (Andrew) Date: Thu May 1 23:00:37 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Can I divert USB HID data from reaching the OS/Window Manager? In-Reply-To: <22383.481a3750@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223c6.481a9fec@www.cycling74.com> Yes, this would be a great thing to be able to do! I use a gamepad for live performance, but I have to set up a shift-state where no mouse/keyboard emulation takes place. Then I have to turn the [hi] processing off in Max if I want to use the gamepad as a mouse. If anyone knows how to do that (or even better, toggling between the two in real-time) that would be great! From dkimcg at gmail.com Thu May 1 23:23:02 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Thu May 1 23:23:07 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: Averaging Timer Values? aka knock 3 times on the banger In-Reply-To: <6207712E-8B37-49F3-B2F3-5C1C59F3A29F@well.com> Message-ID: <223c9.481aa536@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Chris Muir wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 20:21 ---------------------------------------------------- > > Love it in all of its "Old LA" charm. > I hear it's only been closed one day in the last 100 years. And that wasn't the riots or pearl harbor or Kennedy's assasination. Heath department, they had to clean their kitchen. After decades of 24 hr breakfasts, I think it was a good idea... -- -DonK From alljvkr at jvkr.nl Fri May 2 00:30:36 2008 From: alljvkr at jvkr.nl (jvkr) Date: Fri May 2 00:30:40 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: max 5 new patcher preferences, grid and more In-Reply-To: <48199C36.3040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <223cd.481ab50b@www.cycling74.com> > I'll do another try : If i resize an object like *~, it should resize > accordingly to the grid and the flonum i would like to connect to the > 2nd inlet should be located on the grid as well, so the connection > should be right. But it's never happening and i have to do a "align > connections" which doesn't align things on the grid, but do some dark > art mess in order to make things match. Means we're always messing > "good" grid alignment with "floating" alignment and when dozen objects > are involved and you move one, you find yourself in a deep s..t > > I guess it's still unclear, so nevermind :-) You mean, inlets and outlets should be what snap to grid, instead of the box itself. _ johan From mathieu.chamagne at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:03:21 2008 From: mathieu.chamagne at gmail.com (mathieu.chamagne@gmail.com) Date: Fri May 2 01:03:32 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Geometric/Physcial modelling. In-Reply-To: <222a7.4818a0d5@www.cycling74.com> References: <222a7.4818a0d5@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4EFA3ACC-051E-4426-BC02-5357F3AA20F0@gmail.com> you'll need to download both pmpd objects (for your OS..) AND mc.pmpd abstractions. (my abstraction do not replace pmpd objects themself) so mc.pmpd.mass2D is the abstration built around pmpd.mass2D. Mathieu ________________ Mathieu Chamagne mathieu.chamagne@free.fr http://mathieuchamagne.com http://www.maxobjects.com Le 30 avr. 08 ? 18:39, chrome-metronome a ?crit : > > hello again Mathieu.. > > > in my Externals, i have pmpd.mass2d > > whereas your objects are > > mc.pmpd.mass2d > > i think this might have effected the way i view you patches as there > are no outlets to your objects. is this the case? thanks > r > From lewiskeller at hotmail.com Fri May 2 01:16:56 2008 From: lewiskeller at hotmail.com (Lewis Keller) Date: Fri May 2 01:17:03 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Noteout In-Reply-To: <223c5.481a9fa5@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223d0.481abfe8@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Charles wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 21:59 ---------------------------------------------------- > Is there any way to route the audio from the noteout object into other objects without hearing the sound coming from noteout? ---------------------------------------------------- No, but that's because the whole point of noteout is that it sends MIDI data (not audio) to an external MIDI app/synth outside (hence the "out" part) of the Max environment. Maybe you are trying to alter the audio generated by a synth receiving noteout MIDI data using other objects in Max/MSP? If so then use something like Soundflower as the audio output of the external synth noteout is controlling, use Soundflower as the input to Max/MSP and then process with "other objects without hearing the sound coming from noteout". http://cycling74.com/downloads/soundflower Soundflower is a Mac only thing so if you're on Windows you'll have to find a similar utility. -- Max/MSP 4.6.3 & 5.0.1 OSX v.10.4.11 1.5Ghz G4 Powerbook w/512MB http://glewlio.com From o at borgen.as Fri May 2 01:18:05 2008 From: o at borgen.as (Lut Lei) Date: Fri May 2 01:18:10 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: pattern recognition in a stream of data In-Reply-To: <22360.481a1594@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223d1.481ac02c@www.cycling74.com> When looking for an specific object in max, I always head over to http://www.maxobjects.com, and do a search. When I searched with the keyword "regexp", two objects were found: regexp http://www.cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/max-ref/regexp.html jit.str.regexp http://www.cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/jit-ref/jit.str.regexp.html Thanks, for your hint about this. It maybe a good one, and gave me a lot of search results on google. (I'm no programmer, so I haven't heard about this before;) Maybe I can roud my numbers and do regexp on them? From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri May 2 02:14:10 2008 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri May 2 02:14:20 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Re: what's the html support like? In-Reply-To: <22257.4817c9f3@www.cycling74.com> References: <22257.4817c9f3@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <481ACD52.9090506@addcom.de> jmg460 schrieb: > Stefan, > > Thank you for the naming tip. I forgot to mention, that the patch itself was great. You web wizards will push Max even further into the future. I wonder if I should make Max to my standard browser now, I just need to find a way to get my immense bookmark list somehow in... Will jweb accept the standard plug-ins as well? Flash comes to mind first... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri May 2 02:14:32 2008 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri May 2 02:14:41 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Preliminary 32-step sequencer, with velocity for each track/step. In-Reply-To: <2225e.4817f635@www.cycling74.com> References: <2225e.4817f635@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <481ACD68.3070604@addcom.de> marcos schrieb: > Forgot to say, requires LChange from Lobjects to detect a change in a list. Just wondering, zl seems to be much more complete than I'd ever imagined. Which of the Lobjects are still usefull? I guess a lot can be easily replaced by zl now.... (zl change could probably be a direct replacement for LChange) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri May 2 02:15:00 2008 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri May 2 02:15:10 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] Encapsulated Objects in Main Presentation Display? In-Reply-To: <86E0C8FA-7DAD-4E4D-BEB5-3FD8FFB8F999@well.com> References: <22263.481813e5@www.cycling74.com> <86E0C8FA-7DAD-4E4D-BEB5-3FD8FFB8F999@well.com> Message-ID: <481ACD84.1070709@addcom.de> Chris Muir schrieb: > Either use bpatchers, or create inlets and outlets in your subpatcher so > that you can leave your LEDs in the main patcher. That this isn't a show stopper is clear. I read it as a feature request, I second it, and it came up as an idea already. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri May 2 02:15:53 2008 From: Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de (Stefan Tiedje) Date: Fri May 2 02:16:02 2008 Subject: [maxmsp] max 5 new patcher preferences, grid and more In-Reply-To: <48199C36.3040702@gmail.com> References: <48131015.6060902@gmail.com> <8BE3A744-E0F2-4909-BF81-AFAD4BC4DCFA@t-online.de> <48199C36.3040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481ACDB9.2030008@addcom.de> f.e schrieb: > Sorry Chris (and the others). I guess i failed to explain my problem... > > I'll do another try : If i resize an object like *~, it should resize > accordingly to the grid and the flonum i would like to connect to the > 2nd inlet should be located on the grid as well, so the connection > should be right. But it's never happening and i have to do a "align > connections" which doesn't align things on the grid, but do some dark > art mess in order to make things match. Means we're always messing > "good" grid alignment with "floating" alignment and when dozen objects > are involved and you move one, you find yourself in a deep s..t > > I guess it's still unclear, so nevermind :-) The only solution is to set your grid exactly to twice the distance from in/oulet to the border of the object... (would only work with the same font size for all objects...) Or just give up on being rigrid... could be rewarding... (I am not rigrid enough to test my thesis actually...) And think about it, if nobody told you about a grid, you wouldn't have a problem... It wasn't different in Max 4 actually, you can't align right and left side to the same grid and expect the cords to be straight, unless your grid is exactly twice the distance between cord and border of the object. Your Max 4 grid had to be much smaller than a Max 5 grid... The main problem seems, that the distance from in/oulet is linked to the roundness, maybe you can convince David Z. to make it always the same... (To allow rigrid patching with object boxes and numbers at the same time f.e...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Stefan-Tiedje at addcom.de Fri May 2 02:16:08 2008 From