[maxmsp] [MAX 5.0.2] hidemenubar and hidetoolbar

2 for the price of one :

It seems like in 5.0.2 (pc) version the ';max hidemenubar' and ';max showmenubar' don't work anymore. I know it can be done with the 'thispatcher' command 'window flags (no)menu'. Not sure if the ;max message is mac only, but it doesn't say so in the docs.

A second question I had is if its possible to hide the toolbar (the 'view->Toolbar' option') with a max/thispatcher message.
When I hide it and save the patcher the option isn't saved with the patcher.

best.