From aomusik at yahoo.de Sat Dec 1 05:12:35 2007 From: aomusik at yahoo.de (loook1) Date: Sat Dec 1 05:12:37 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Filtergraph Object In-Reply-To: <1d2aa.4725fc0a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1def8.47514fb2@www.cycling74.com> hello :) i cant see any values for the freq,q, or else in plugconfig inside your patcher. why not save the parameter values in plugconfig with the store-function and let it recall those when opening the plug-in automatically? i did not have any problems with that. greetings From dkimcg at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 19:39:36 2007 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:39:37 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Ms. Pinky In-Reply-To: <1dc73.4749d96f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1dfc2.4754bde7@www.cycling74.com> I couldn't get Ms. pinky working with my MBox2. It worked with a Tascam US-122 interface on the same computer, same everything except the MBox (I unplugged the MBox2, and gave the Tascam a try). Tascam interface worked, MBox2 did not. It could be user error, but considering the only thing different was the audio interface, I dunno... A friend has Serato, but since my primary interest in Ms. PInky was controlling video, there was no choice to be made for me... -- -DonK From larsull at web.de Tue Dec 4 07:37:19 2007 From: larsull at web.de (i.te) Date: Tue Dec 4 07:37:29 2007 Subject: [pluggo] building a sequencer Message-ID: <1dfd7.4755661e@www.cycling74.com> hi folk, im trying to build a sequencer. its totally finished, but when i load it in my host it appears like a vst fx, not like a midi module. i dont now how to configure the plugconfig.. another problem is the interface, some stuff don't appear only after clicking with the mouse. any help will be much appreciated, best From mpauley at mac.com Tue Dec 4 15:40:00 2007 From: mpauley at mac.com (Mark Pauley) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:40:07 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Ms. Pinky In-Reply-To: <1dfc2.4754bde7@www.cycling74.com> References: <1dfc2.4754bde7@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <0DB4D85B-1512-47CD-B12F-680B5720C79C@mac.com> I wonder if the MBox is doing some sort of noise gating... I would bet that any futzing with the incoming audio to fake true quiet will screw Pinky. _Mark On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Don K wrote: > > I couldn't get Ms. pinky working with my MBox2. > It worked with a Tascam US-122 interface on the same computer, same > everything except the MBox (I unplugged the MBox2, and gave the > Tascam a try). Tascam interface worked, MBox2 did not. It could be > user error, but considering the only thing different was the audio > interface, I dunno... > > A friend has Serato, but since my primary interest in Ms. PInky was > controlling video, there was no choice to be made for me... > > > -- > -DonK > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo From dkimcg at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 15:51:25 2007 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:51:27 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Ms. Pinky In-Reply-To: <0DB4D85B-1512-47CD-B12F-680B5720C79C@mac.com> Message-ID: <1e027.4755d9ed@www.cycling74.com> It could be user error, I didn't spend much time in trying to get it to work either. It wasn't working, so I just swapped out the tascam interface with the mbox2, and it worked. I'll look into it more deeply when I have time, I've got my eye on the RME fireface for my next interface... -- -DonK From mpauley at mac.com Tue Dec 4 17:47:24 2007 From: mpauley at mac.com (Mark Pauley) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:47:26 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Ms. Pinky In-Reply-To: <1e027.4755d9ed@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e027.4755d9ed@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: I (heart) my MOTU ultralight! _Mark On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Don K wrote: > > It could be user error, I didn't spend much time in trying to get it > to work either. It wasn't working, so I just swapped out the tascam > interface with the mbox2, and it worked. I'll look into it more > deeply when I have time, I've got my eye on the RME fireface for my > next interface... > > > -- > -DonK > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo From carl_lofgren at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 03:19:29 2007 From: carl_lofgren at yahoo.com (Carl Lofgren) Date: Wed Dec 5 03:19:41 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Open Pluggo with Max/MSP? Message-ID: <1e05a.47567b30@www.cycling74.com> Hi - I am just about to buy Max/MSP to start developing my own plugs and applications. I stumbled across a very interesting piece of information in the Pluggo Getting Started manual. "The ability to open any plug-in made with the plug-in development tools that are part of Max/MSP" Does this mean, that if I buy Max/MSP and Pluggo - I can open the plugs in the Pluggo package and analyze then and make changes to them? /Carl From arthur at sauer.demon.nl Wed Dec 5 10:06:24 2007 From: arthur at sauer.demon.nl (Arthur Sauer) Date: Wed Dec 5 10:06:29 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4? In-Reply-To: <474F07A7.6070603@cycling74.com> Message-ID: My problem is not that PT crashes. The problem is that no plug-ins show up in PT. I am using PT LE 7.4 Intel mac I've installed pace extensions again I use an iLok I pulled out all plugins out of the pluggo folder except for generic effect, makes no difference > Here are a couple of bits of information that might help us to track > down the problem, if you have a moment: > --are you using PT LE or TDM/HD? > --are you using a Intel or PowerPC Mac? > --Have you tried downloading and installing PACE extensions again? > --are you using iLok or Challenge/Response to authorize Pluggo? > --Try pulling all of the plugins out of the Pluggo folder except for > Generic Effect. Is it still crashing? > > Thanks for any time you can spend to help us track this issue down. > > Best, > Andrew B. > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo > | Arthur Sauer | | < From andrewb at cycling74.com Wed Dec 5 11:47:16 2007 From: andrewb at cycling74.com (Andrew Benson) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:47:34 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4756F234.6080203@cycling74.com> Hi Arthur, If Pluggo plugins just aren't showing up, your issue is more likely to be with Permissions settings on the various Pluggo files. There are a couple of ways to clear this up: 1. Run Disk Utility and Repair Permissions on your hard drive. Sometimes this works, but not always. 2. Try getting info on the Pluggo-RTAS file, and each of the plugin files, and manually set the Ownership/Permissions stuff to give you Read/Write permission. If this problem persists, mail us at support@ and we'll see if we can get you sorted out. Best, Andrew From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Thu Dec 6 04:19:27 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jabbo) Date: Thu Dec 6 04:19:28 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <16794.45b3ad6d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> Hello everyone! I have a problem with plugmultiparam and did not find a reference in the mailing lists, hope I am gonna be clear and sorry if it came up before : I use a similar patch to the one I am posting to store an .xml file name as parameter data in Ableton. The File name is limited to 32 characters, translated by spell which turns the non characters to 0, and then added to a path of a folder where a series of xml files are stored (works everything fine) the folder is obviously included in the Pluggo support stuff. So what I actually want to store is ONLY the file name, the rest is fixed. So my problem is that when I input the list in plugmultiparam I don?t get an update in Live?s parameters window. That is to say that I can?t save anything because Live doesn?t receive (?) the information from plugmultiparam. I am aware of the ddg saving utilities, but I wanted to build something in Max on my own. Plus I made a test also with the plugmultiparam help file (buliding a vst directly from there) but nisba, nada de nada, doesn?t work or better doesn?t do what I thought. I expected that plugmultiparam behaved like the pps mirroring the inputted data in the host application, am I wrong? Any suggestions? my platform Macbook intel Live 6,7 Max 4.6.3 latest pluggo runtime. max v2; #N vpatcher 10 59 1026 796; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 3; #P comment 308 82 100 196617 file name limited to 32 characters \, path added after; #P window linecount 2; #P comment 13 339 100 196617 if no preset stored then load default; #P window linecount 6; #P comment 651 69 100 196617 problem: plugmultiparam doesn?t update parameters in Live 6/7 when list changed \;; #P window linecount 1; #P message 658 271 61 196617 windowsize; #N plugconfig; #C useviews 0 1 1 1; #C numprograms 64; #C preempt 1; #C sigvschange 1; #C sigvsdefault 32; #C windowsize; #C defaultview Interface 0 0 0; #C dragscroll 1; #C noinfo; #C package ????; #C uniqueid 128 228 160; #C initialpgm 1; #P newobj 652 297 55 196617 plugconfig; #P window linecount 2; #P message 431 398 440 196617 103. 104. 122. 122. 116. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 431 364 62 196617 prepend set; #P window linecount 2; #P message 295 209 496 196617 "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/Nando1.1/Nsounds/ghzzt"; #P message 124 481 264 196617 "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/Nando1.1/Nsounds/ghzzt"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 187 121 64 196617 fromsymbol; #P newex 187 101 69 196617 route symbol; #P button 168 32 15 0; #P newex 192 378 75 196617 s ---re_grp_n; #P message 47 324 41 196617 Test_b; #B color 12; #P newex 124 248 417 196617 unpack 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #P newex 124 351 27 196617 t l l; #P newex 124 269 57 196617 route -1 0; #P newex 57 70 44 196617 del 750; #P newex 57 42 48 196617 loadbang; #P window linecount 3; #P newex 124 300 417 196617 sprintf %c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 124 379 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 295 156 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 124 435 51 196617 tosymbol; #P button 57 143 15 0; #P newex 187 145 75 196617 s ---re_grp_n; #P newex 295 183 62 196617 prepend set; #P newex 124 456 62 196617 prepend set; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 124 403 274 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/Nando1.1/Nsounds/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 124 221 138 196617 plugmultiparam 1 32 -1 255; #P objectname not; #P newex 124 124 50 196617 deferlow; #P newex 124 144 61 196617 zl group 32; #P newex 124 103 60 196617 spell 32 -1; #P newex 168 78 40 196617 t s s s; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 295 121 274 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/Nando1.1/Nsounds/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 168 57 59 196617 dialog bank; #P button 47 298 15 0; #P window linecount 2; #P comment 191 32 100 196617 <-- bang to input test; #P fasten 20 1 1 0 152 285 52 285; #P fasten 20 0 1 0 129 285 52 285; #P connect 1 0 23 0; #P connect 18 0 19 0; #P connect 19 0 13 0; #P fasten 4 0 5 0 173 98 129 98; #P connect 5 0 7 0; #P connect 7 0 6 0; #P connect 6 0 8 0; #P fasten 13 0 8 0 62 220 129 220; #P connect 8 0 22 0; #P connect 22 0 20 0; #P fasten 20 2 17 0 175 293 129 293; #P connect 23 0 21 0; #P connect 17 0 21 0; #P connect 21 0 16 0; #P connect 16 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 14 0; #P connect 14 0 10 0; #P connect 10 0 28 0; #P connect 22 1 17 1; #P connect 22 2 17 2; #P connect 22 3 17 3; #P connect 25 0 2 0; #P connect 2 0 4 0; #P connect 22 4 17 4; #P connect 4 1 26 0; #P connect 26 0 27 0; #P connect 27 0 12 0; #P connect 22 5 17 5; #P connect 21 1 24 0; #P connect 22 6 17 6; #P connect 22 7 17 7; #P connect 22 8 17 8; #P connect 22 9 17 9; #P connect 22 10 17 10; #P connect 22 11 17 11; #P connect 22 12 17 12; #P connect 22 13 17 13; #P fasten 4 2 3 0 203 98 300 98; #P connect 3 0 15 0; #P connect 15 0 11 0; #P connect 11 0 29 0; #P connect 22 14 17 14; #P connect 22 15 17 15; #P connect 22 16 17 16; #P connect 22 17 17 17; #P connect 22 18 17 18; #P connect 22 19 17 19; #P connect 22 20 17 20; #P connect 22 21 17 21; #P connect 22 22 17 22; #P connect 22 23 17 23; #P connect 8 0 30 0; #P connect 30 0 31 0; #P connect 22 24 17 24; #P connect 22 25 17 25; #P connect 22 26 17 26; #P connect 22 27 17 27; #P connect 22 28 17 28; #P connect 22 29 17 29; #P connect 22 30 17 30; #P connect 22 31 17 31; #P connect 33 0 32 0; #P pop; From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Thu Dec 6 04:58:03 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Thu Dec 6 04:57:08 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> Hi, this similar situation works for me in Live 6 - storing an entire file path (with a name size limited to 256 char.) I guess you need a plugstore in between plugmultiparam and the rest of your patch - that's (I think - no time to verify) because plugmultiparam seems to output its content under the form "select index value" (good for multislider), rather as a single list, as it does within Max when you build your plugin. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got a little confused exactly because I expected a different behaviour (as u say, because of the different worlds runtimepluggo vs max) Maybe had to read more carefully. Still the problem persists into the plugmultiparam help patch ( i move a slider but nothing in Ableton) which is connected to a multislider, any ideas? On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Manuel Poletti wrote: > Hi, > > this similar situation works for me in Live 6 - storing an entire > file path (with a name size limited to 256 char.) > I guess you need a plugstore in between plugmultiparam and the rest > of your patch - that's (I think - no time to verify) because > plugmultiparam seems to output its content under the form "select > index value" (good for multislider), rather as a single list, as it > does within Max when you build your plugin. > > > > > > > #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; > #P window linecount 1; > #N plugconfig; > #C useviews 0 1 1 1; > #C numprograms 1; > #C preempt 1; > #C sigvschange 1; > #C sigvsdefault 32; > #C windowsize; > #C defaultview Interface 0 0 0; > #C dragscroll 1; > #C noinfo; > #C package ????; > #C uniqueid 14 131 75; > #C initialpgm 1; > #P newobj 306 232 55 196617 plugconfig; > #P newex 306 208 50 196617 plugout~; > #P newex 306 184 50 196617 plugin~; > #P comment 227 298 96 196617 recovered file path; > #P comment 264 99 47 196617 file path; > #P window linecount 0; > #P message 171 113 376 196617; > #P window linecount 1; > #P newex 171 89 62 196617 prepend set; > #P window linecount 0; > #P message 82 312 376 196617; > #P button 58 177 15 0; > #P button 82 51 15 0; > #P window linecount 1; > #P newex 82 72 56 196617 opendialog; > #P newex 82 288 62 196617 prepend set; > #P newex 82 93 30 196617 t s b; > #P newex 82 247 76 196617 vexpr int($f1); > #P newex 82 268 40 196617 itoa; > #P newex 82 226 73 196617 plugstore 256; > #P newex 82 205 139 196617 plugmultiparam 1 256 0 255; > #P newex 102 177 46 196617 zl group; > #P newex 102 156 27 196617 0; > #P newex 82 114 40 196617 atoi; > #P newex 102 135 44 196617 uzi 256; > #P comment 99 53 93 196617 choose a file (any); > #P connect 12 0 11 0; > #P connect 11 0 9 0; > #P connect 9 0 2 0; > #P connect 13 0 5 0; > #P connect 4 0 5 0; > #P connect 2 0 5 0; > #P connect 5 0 6 0; > #P connect 6 0 8 0; > #P connect 8 0 7 0; > #P connect 7 0 10 0; > #P connect 10 0 14 0; > #P connect 9 1 1 0; > #P connect 1 0 3 0; > #P connect 3 0 4 0; > #P connect 1 1 4 0; > #P connect 11 0 15 0; > #P connect 15 0 16 0; > #P connect 19 0 20 0; > #P connect 19 1 20 1; > #P window clipboard copycount 22; > > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/pluggo/attachments/20071206/95354732/attachment.htm From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Thu Dec 6 05:31:07 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Thu Dec 6 05:30:11 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> Message-ID: Sorry : MacBook Pro 2.33 GHz OSX 10.4.11 Live 6.0.7 Max 4.6.3 Pluggo 3.6.1 From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Thu Dec 6 06:03:46 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:02:52 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> Message-ID: <52AFCE89-1452-46B1-8C11-07DBC18C94C5@ircam.fr> It seems here that one needs at least one pp object next to a plugmultiparam object in order for Live to behave as expected (modify param -> "dirty" session). From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Thu Dec 6 06:24:24 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jacopo Carreras) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:26:15 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <52AFCE89-1452-46B1-8C11-07DBC18C94C5@ircam.fr> References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> <52AFCE89-1452-46B1-8C11-07DBC18C94C5@ircam.fr> Message-ID: <94856DB7-8EB4-4E01-92E7-BADC6CA0DD25@lan-muzic.com> Ok!!! btw next means on the right of the of the pp? so to say comes first? or the other way round? and r u italian? On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Manuel Poletti wrote: > It seems here that one needs at least one pp object next to a > plugmultiparam object in order for Live to behave as expected > (modify param -> "dirty" session). > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/pluggo/attachments/20071206/c2838f51/attachment.htm From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Thu Dec 6 06:46:20 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:45:24 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <94856DB7-8EB4-4E01-92E7-BADC6CA0DD25@lan-muzic.com> References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> <52AFCE89-1452-46B1-8C11-07DBC18C94C5@ircam.fr> <94856DB7-8EB4-4E01-92E7-BADC6CA0DD25@lan-muzic.com> Message-ID: <7A33EC8D-F0FC-4D3C-93C7-63E2B1E19CAA@ircam.fr> On 6 d?c. 07, at 14:24, Jacopo Carreras wrote: > Ok!!! btw next means on the right of the of the pp? so to say > comes first? > or the other way round? Just add a (even fake) pp object somewhere in your patch. > and r u italian? My grand-grand-father was one. But I walk like an italian... From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Thu Dec 6 08:16:03 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jacopo Carreras) Date: Thu Dec 6 08:17:53 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <7A33EC8D-F0FC-4D3C-93C7-63E2B1E19CAA@ircam.fr> References: <1e0b8.4757dabc@www.cycling74.com> <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> <52AFCE89-1452-46B1-8C11-07DBC18C94C5@ircam.fr> <94856DB7-8EB4-4E01-92E7-BADC6CA0DD25@lan-muzic.com> <7A33EC8D-F0FC-4D3C-93C7-63E2B1E19CAA@ircam.fr> Message-ID: <676844E1-7696-421A-9180-A8ACB4A38A33@lan-muzic.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Manuel Poletti wrote: > > On 6 d?c. 07, at 14:24, Jacopo Carreras wrote: > >> Ok!!! btw next means on the right of the of the pp? so to say >> comes first? >> or the other way round? > > Just add a (even fake) pp object somewhere in your patch. > >> and r u italian? > > My grand-grand-father was one. > But I walk like an italian... Haaaaahaha! nice one IJust add a (even fake) pp object somewhere in your patch. i have 4... what to do? searching for round abouts... > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/pluggo/attachments/20071206/8d064785/attachment.htm From nuon at mac.com Thu Dec 6 10:05:40 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Thu Dec 6 10:05:42 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <184f9.460c7985@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e0d9.47582be4@www.cycling74.com> I'm building a drum map converter pluggo plugin. I also built a very simple pluggo with only a "plugmidiin" connected to a "plugmidiout" to test latency in Nuendo. The latency is very consistant (about 12ms, +-1ms), but It's still too slow for the real time e-drum session. How can I make the latency much lower? From andrew at cycling74.com Thu Dec 6 15:33:25 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:33:27 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <1e0d9.47582be4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e10b.475878b4@www.cycling74.com> Probably not a lot you can do. Have you measured the latency when running your plug as a standalone or from inside max using IAC bus or MIDI yoke? -A From andrew at cycling74.com Thu Dec 6 15:46:00 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:46:06 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Open Pluggo with Max/MSP? In-Reply-To: <1e05a.47567b30@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e10f.47587ba7@www.cycling74.com> No. The Pluggo plug-ins source is not available. It's generally pretty basic stuff though, you can probably find out enough to recreate most of pluggo from the msp help files, examples, tutorials, web site articles, max-list patches..... -A From carl_lofgren at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 16:15:35 2007 From: carl_lofgren at yahoo.com (Carl Lofgren) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:38 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Open Pluggo with Max/MSP? In-Reply-To: <1e10f.47587ba7@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e111.47588297@www.cycling74.com> Thanks. That's what I figured. From staplesyrup at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:09 2007 From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:11 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <60303010-287C-4183-B2D3-61423728230B@ircam.fr> Message-ID: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 11:57 ---------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > this similar situation works for me in Live 6 - storing an entire > file path (with a name size limited to 256 char.) i thought Live only allowed recall of 128 vst parameters? -- www.myspace.com/binray From cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 18:20:59 2007 From: cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com (Clifton Cameron) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:21:01 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Pluggo and Logic Pro 7 Question Message-ID: <1e126.47589ffb@www.cycling74.com> Hello I'm currently running Logic Pro 7.2.3 on a Dual 1.8GHZ G5 in Tiger OS X 10.4.8 and I have come to realize that most of my pluggo instruments and effects don't show up. Ableton demonstrates them all though Logic on the otherhand show about half of them. I do also have Hipno and Mode installed as well. I would really like to have them all presented here in my main sequencer Logic. The count on the Inserts section of Logic stops at the letter I therefore there a group of other plugins that I use under Pluggo that aren't represented. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks From cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 18:51:12 2007 From: cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com (Clifton Cameron) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:51:14 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Back on track . . . with Pluggo In-Reply-To: <1e126.47589ffb@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e12f.4758a710@www.cycling74.com> Like Sylvester the Jester would say . . . Everything is back to normal. Everything is back on track. Just cleaned out the VST folder reinstalled the latest Pluggo and I'm back on track. Thanks everyone . . . Clifton Cameron From nuon at mac.com Thu Dec 6 21:06:54 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Thu Dec 6 21:06:56 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <1e10b.475878b4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e136.4758c6de@www.cycling74.com> The audio buffer is set at 6ms. In Nuendo Plug-in information window, my pluggo plug-in is recognized as latency "64". Some plug-ins are recognized as much lower latency, such as 20, 32 etc. My plug-in even doesn't have any audio feature, so I'm wondering how Nuendo recognize the latency of the plug-in.... From cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 21:23:04 2007 From: cliftondevellecameron at gmail.com (Clifton Cameron) Date: Thu Dec 6 21:23:05 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Logic Pro 7 and Pluggo II In-Reply-To: <1e12f.4758a710@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e137.4758caa7@www.cycling74.com> Once I installed Mode and Hipno into the Logic Environment as AU's. My Pluggo list has shrunk and the remaining plugins after the letter I are not displayed in Logic Pro 7. Perhaps there may be some kind of limit . . . though ultimately I would love to have all of the effects presented. Any assistance on the matter would be appreciated. Thanks Clifton Cameron From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Fri Dec 7 02:27:33 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Fri Dec 7 02:26:37 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: On 6 d?c. 07, at 23:39, James Little wrote: > i thought Live only allowed recall of 128 vst parameters? Well, apparently, no. But pluggo should hide the parameters handled by plugmultiparam objects, which, in Live, seem to appear as "standard" parameters (and thus, limited to 128). Any idea, Andrew ? From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Fri Dec 7 02:39:38 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jacopo Carreras) Date: Fri Dec 7 02:41:32 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <5AD7A07B-F812-459D-A6CD-A21388022008@lan-muzic.com> That?s the point of saving only a name and add the rest at the end. I think the ddg objects operate in a similar way: they split the name from the path and identify a path as a pp value (If I got it right). For a period I thought of going through fold and a menu with all the files, somehow ended up a little buggy. boh, will see. On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:39 PM, James Little wrote: > > Quote: Manuel Poletti wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 11:57 > ---------------------------------------------------- >> Hi, >> >> this similar situation works for me in Live 6 - storing an entire >> file path (with a name size limited to 256 char.) > > > i thought Live only allowed recall of 128 vst parameters? > > -- > www.myspace.com/binray > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/pluggo/attachments/20071207/728922f2/attachment.htm From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Fri Dec 7 02:42:13 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jacopo Carreras) Date: Fri Dec 7 02:44:06 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: References: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4EA6163D-4AD1-41B1-AB07-529AE7D86498@lan-muzic.com> > Well, apparently, no. > But pluggo should hide the parameters handled by plugmultiparam > objects, which, in Live, seem to appear as "standard" parameters > (and thus, limited to 128). oops, sorry then I correct myself. Plus this thing of the shown up parameters is a little annoying. But who cares as long as it works and it still seems a little elegant.. On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Manuel Poletti wrote: > > On 6 d?c. 07, at 23:39, James Little wrote: > >> i thought Live only allowed recall of 128 vst parameters? > > Well, apparently, no. > But pluggo should hide the parameters handled by plugmultiparam > objects, which, in Live, seem to appear as "standard" parameters > (and thus, limited to 128). > > Any idea, Andrew ? > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo Jacopo Carreras music weaver www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras www.lan-muzic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/pluggo/attachments/20071207/8fb23e9e/attachment.htm From manuel.poletti at ircam.fr Fri Dec 7 02:54:22 2007 From: manuel.poletti at ircam.fr (Manuel Poletti) Date: Fri Dec 7 02:53:27 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <4EA6163D-4AD1-41B1-AB07-529AE7D86498@lan-muzic.com> References: <1e117.4758881d@www.cycling74.com> <4EA6163D-4AD1-41B1-AB07-529AE7D86498@lan-muzic.com> Message-ID: On 7 d?c. 07, at 10:42, Jacopo Carreras wrote: >> Plus this thing of the shown up parameters is a little annoying. >> But who cares as long as it works and it still seems a little >> elegant.. Well, it depends : if you declare your pps first, they appear as "automatable" parameters in a track - but if you need to declare your plugparams (with more than 128 parameters) first, then the pps are not available within a track any more - annoying. In Pro Tools, for example, plugparams are hidden from the automation list. From itsh at boredbrand.com Fri Dec 7 07:28:17 2007 From: itsh at boredbrand.com (gavin) Date: Fri Dec 7 07:28:18 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1de5c.474fe2df@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e153.47595880@www.cycling74.com> >From research I think that this is due to the VST standard rather than Pluggo (or it could be both!) Apparently then new VST3 standard will allow sample accurate automation: Ramping Automation/sample accurate automation The VST3 interface also features enhancements in parameter automation. Parameter changes can now be made sample accurate and are ramped. The plug-in will be informed exactly when the parameter modification has to be made, allowing pin-point accuracy for rapid parameter automation changes. (from http://www.steinberg.net/1504+M52087573ab0.html) Until then I think that is implememnted I think you have to use interpolation or some kind of maths to mimic sample accuracy. Gavin From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Fri Dec 7 07:51:02 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Fri Dec 7 07:51:28 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e153.47595880@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e154.47595dd4@www.cycling74.com> Ah, thanks for that update. Nevertheless, Pluggo's internal accuracy seems to be much less than what is supported by other vst plugins made within the current standard. Even though those might not be sample-accurate, they're still pretty tight. For Pluggo, we're talking about 20-40 ms, which is pretty huge. Interpolation might make things smoother, but not more accurate in the sense of real time. I'm afraid I'll have to keep using cc's for time accurate parameters. Cheers, Mattijs Quote: gavspav wrote on Fri, 07 December 2007 15:28 ---------------------------------------------------- > From research I think that this is due to the VST standard rather than Pluggo (or it could be both!) > > Apparently then new VST3 standard will allow sample accurate automation: > > Ramping Automation/sample accurate automation > The VST3 interface also features enhancements in parameter automation. Parameter changes can now be made sample accurate and are ramped. The plug-in will be informed exactly when the parameter modification has to be made, allowing pin-point accuracy for rapid parameter automation changes. > > (from http://www.steinberg.net/1504+M52087573ab0.html) > > Until then I think that is implememnted I think you have to use interpolation or some kind of maths to mimic sample accuracy. > > Gavin > > ---------------------------------------------------- -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From nuon at mac.com Fri Dec 7 09:15:18 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:15:20 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e154.47595dd4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e159.47597195@www.cycling74.com> I have the exactly same problem with Pluggo drum map conversion patch. In my case (Nuendo PC), the timing is off about 10ms (+-5ms). Nuendo + MAX Stand alone + MIDI Yoke, The timing is very tight (1-2ms), so it is apparently Pluggo issue. I wish someone fix this problem.... Thanks! From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Dec 7 10:15:17 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:15:18 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1e15d.47597fa4@www.cycling74.com> The problem is that we don't have any control over the way hosts deal with our parameters. So - while we we are telling hosts that a certain param or set of params is "hidden" sometimes that host will just ignore this and do whatever it likes, as Live does. -A From nuon at mac.com Fri Dec 7 10:15:52 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:15:53 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <1e0d9.47582be4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e15e.47597fc8@www.cycling74.com> I test Pluggo a bit further. The latency of this simple Pluggo patch is NOT consistent. MIDI jitter is about 10ms. From nuon at mac.com Fri Dec 7 10:28:19 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:28:21 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e154.47595dd4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e160.475982b3@www.cycling74.com> I noticed another strange behavior. I tested a very simple pluggo with only a "plugmidiin" connected to a "plugmidiout"in Nuendo. Not only the MIDI jitter is huge (10ms), but the plugin sometimes alters the note velocity -1 (From 40 to 39 etc). Off course, with stand alone mode, the alternation never occurs. I'm wondering if it's because of Nuendo or Pluggo. Has anyone noticed the same behavior with other platform? (logic, Mac...) Thanks. From bobmirror at hotmail.com Fri Dec 7 11:02:43 2007 From: bobmirror at hotmail.com (Brett) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:02:44 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Pluggo Plugs and Cubase Studio 4 Message-ID: <1e168.47598ac2@www.cycling74.com> Are these compatible yet? Did a search...found they weren't a while back (last year). It's hard to tell since I'm just new at creating plugs with MaxMSP. The one I created does work in Cubase SL3 though.. -Lid From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Dec 7 13:04:11 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:04:12 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <1e15e.47597fc8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e176.4759a73a@www.cycling74.com> We set latency at 64 samples. You can change this with the latency flag in plugconfig. -A From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Sat Dec 8 04:19:46 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jabbo) Date: Sat Dec 8 04:19:53 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <16794.45b3ad6d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e1a9.475a7dcb@www.cycling74.com> I use this "compromise". It makes it necessary to save things in the same folder, but since it is data from a coll it gets easier. And I only need 32 params. So i actually store a lot of things in the coll. Once the coll is loaded it starts all the rest... Though the stupid thing is to load the plugin correctly I have to use these 32 params with index 1, confusing for the user. For sure there is another way. And I know(again) about the ddg objects (which are great!) but, you know, it is always good to try it out on your own, even if you land on the same island! max v2; #N vpatcher 202 44 1165 627; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 5; #P comment 179 95 89 196617 converts atoi and adds 0s when blank spaces to reach list length of 32 \;; #P window linecount 3; #P comment 24 55 108 196617 delayed loadbang to re-load file name/path \;; #P window linecount 2; #P comment 8 263 108 196617 if no data is present in Host then load default>; #P window linecount 1; #N plugconfig; #C useviews 0 1 1 1; #C numprograms 64; #C preempt 1; #C sigvschange 1; #C sigvsdefault 32; #C windowsize; #C defaultview Interface 0 0 0; #C dragscroll 1; #C noinfo; #C package ????; #C uniqueid 52 241 2; #C initialpgm 1; #P newobj 560 412 55 196617 plugconfig; #P button 227 49 15 0; #P message 185 447 33 196617 clear; #P newex 185 464 62 196617 prepend set; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 10.; #P message 117 486 677 196618 "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/FAKE"; #P window linecount 0; #P message 288 221 495 196618; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 288 197 62 196617 prepend set; #P newex 117 219 82 196617 route list select; #P message 40 333 33 196617 FAKE; #B color 12; #P newex 117 251 417 196617 unpack 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #P newex 117 349 21 196617 t l; #P newex 117 272 57 196617 route -1 0; #P newex 50 111 50 196617 del 1000; #P newex 50 35 48 196617 loadbang; #P window linecount 3; #P newex 117 303 417 196617 sprintf %c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 117 388 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 288 149 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 117 444 51 196617 tosymbol; #P button 50 136 15 0; #P newex 288 176 73 196617 prepend write; #P newex 117 465 62 196617 prepend set; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 117 412 253 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 117 193 164 196617 plugmultiparam 1 32 -1 255 fixed; #P objectname not; #P newex 117 117 50 196617 deferlow; #P newex 117 137 61 196617 zl group 32; #P newex 117 96 60 196617 spell 32 -1; #P newex 161 71 40 196617 t s s s; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 288 114 253 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 161 50 59 196617 dialog bank; #P button 40 307 15 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P window linecount 8; #P comment 580 28 255 196620 This works for me because I store everything (pattrstorage filename \, audio file \, relative fixed data \, etc.) in a coll. The path of the coll has a fixed folder that MUST be in the pluggo support folder. So when I save something in the Host app I need to save ONLY the name of the coll \;; #P fasten 19 1 1 0 145 294 45 294; #P fasten 19 0 1 0 122 294 45 294; #P connect 1 0 22 0; #P connect 17 0 18 0; #P connect 18 0 12 0; #P fasten 4 0 5 0 166 91 122 91; #P connect 5 0 7 0; #P connect 7 0 6 0; #P connect 6 0 8 0; #P fasten 12 0 8 0 55 160 122 160; #P connect 8 0 23 0; #P connect 23 0 21 0; #P connect 21 0 19 0; #P fasten 19 2 16 0 168 296 122 296; #P connect 16 0 20 0; #P connect 22 0 20 0; #P connect 20 0 15 0; #P connect 15 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 13 0; #P connect 13 0 10 0; #P connect 27 0 26 0; #P connect 10 0 26 0; #P connect 21 1 16 1; #P connect 21 2 16 2; #P connect 21 3 16 3; #P connect 29 0 2 0; #P connect 2 0 4 0; #P connect 21 4 16 4; #P connect 21 5 16 5; #P connect 28 0 27 0; #P connect 21 6 16 6; #P connect 21 7 16 7; #P connect 21 8 16 8; #P connect 21 9 16 9; #P connect 21 10 16 10; #P connect 21 11 16 11; #P connect 21 12 16 12; #P connect 21 13 16 13; #P fasten 4 2 3 0 196 91 293 91; #P connect 3 0 14 0; #P connect 14 0 11 0; #P connect 11 0 24 0; #P connect 24 0 25 0; #P connect 21 14 16 14; #P connect 21 15 16 15; #P connect 21 16 16 16; #P connect 21 17 16 17; #P connect 21 18 16 18; #P connect 21 19 16 19; #P connect 21 20 16 20; #P connect 21 21 16 21; #P connect 21 22 16 22; #P connect 21 23 16 23; #P connect 21 24 16 24; #P connect 21 25 16 25; #P connect 21 26 16 26; #P connect 21 27 16 27; #P connect 21 28 16 28; #P connect 21 29 16 29; #P connect 21 30 16 30; #P connect 21 31 16 31; #P pop; From jacopo at lan-muzic.com Sat Dec 8 04:20:12 2007 From: jacopo at lan-muzic.com (Jabbo) Date: Sat Dec 8 04:20:15 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <16794.45b3ad6d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e1aa.475a7deb@www.cycling74.com> I use this "compromise". It makes it necessary to save things in the same folder, but since it is data from a coll it gets easier. And I only need 32 params. So i actually store a lot of things in the coll. Once the coll is loaded it starts all the rest... Though the stupid thing is to load the plugin correctly I have to use these 32 params with index 1, confusing for the user. For sure there is another way. And I know(again) about the ddg objects (which are great!) but, you know, it is always good to try it out on your own, even if you land on the same island! max v2; #N vpatcher 202 44 1165 627; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 5; #P comment 179 95 89 196617 converts atoi and adds 0s when blank spaces to reach list length of 32 \;; #P window linecount 3; #P comment 24 55 108 196617 delayed loadbang to re-load file name/path \;; #P window linecount 2; #P comment 8 263 108 196617 if no data is present in Host then load default>; #P window linecount 1; #N plugconfig; #C useviews 0 1 1 1; #C numprograms 64; #C preempt 1; #C sigvschange 1; #C sigvsdefault 32; #C windowsize; #C defaultview Interface 0 0 0; #C dragscroll 1; #C noinfo; #C package ????; #C uniqueid 52 241 2; #C initialpgm 1; #P newobj 560 412 55 196617 plugconfig; #P button 227 49 15 0; #P message 185 447 33 196617 clear; #P newex 185 464 62 196617 prepend set; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 10.; #P message 117 486 677 196618 "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/FAKE"; #P window linecount 0; #P message 288 221 495 196618; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 288 197 62 196617 prepend set; #P newex 117 219 82 196617 route list select; #P message 40 333 33 196617 FAKE; #B color 12; #P newex 117 251 417 196617 unpack 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; #P newex 117 349 21 196617 t l; #P newex 117 272 57 196617 route -1 0; #P newex 50 111 50 196617 del 1000; #P newex 50 35 48 196617 loadbang; #P window linecount 3; #P newex 117 303 417 196617 sprintf %c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 117 388 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 288 149 51 196617 tosymbol; #P newex 117 444 51 196617 tosymbol; #P button 50 136 15 0; #P newex 288 176 73 196617 prepend write; #P newex 117 465 62 196617 prepend set; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 117 412 253 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 117 193 164 196617 plugmultiparam 1 32 -1 255 fixed; #P objectname not; #P newex 117 117 50 196617 deferlow; #P newex 117 137 61 196617 zl group 32; #P newex 117 96 60 196617 spell 32 -1; #P newex 161 71 40 196617 t s s s; #P window linecount 2; #P newex 288 114 253 196617 sprintf "Macintosh HD:/Library/Application Support/C74 Plug-in Support/Pluggo Support/fake path/%s"; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 161 50 59 196617 dialog bank; #P button 40 307 15 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.; #P window linecount 8; #P comment 580 28 255 196620 This works for me because I store everything (pattrstorage filename \, audio file \, relative fixed data \, etc.) in a coll. The path of the coll has a fixed folder that MUST be in the pluggo support folder. So when I save something in the Host app I need to save ONLY the name of the coll \;; #P fasten 19 1 1 0 145 294 45 294; #P fasten 19 0 1 0 122 294 45 294; #P connect 1 0 22 0; #P connect 17 0 18 0; #P connect 18 0 12 0; #P fasten 4 0 5 0 166 91 122 91; #P connect 5 0 7 0; #P connect 7 0 6 0; #P connect 6 0 8 0; #P fasten 12 0 8 0 55 160 122 160; #P connect 8 0 23 0; #P connect 23 0 21 0; #P connect 21 0 19 0; #P fasten 19 2 16 0 168 296 122 296; #P connect 16 0 20 0; #P connect 22 0 20 0; #P connect 20 0 15 0; #P connect 15 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 13 0; #P connect 13 0 10 0; #P connect 27 0 26 0; #P connect 10 0 26 0; #P connect 21 1 16 1; #P connect 21 2 16 2; #P connect 21 3 16 3; #P connect 29 0 2 0; #P connect 2 0 4 0; #P connect 21 4 16 4; #P connect 21 5 16 5; #P connect 28 0 27 0; #P connect 21 6 16 6; #P connect 21 7 16 7; #P connect 21 8 16 8; #P connect 21 9 16 9; #P connect 21 10 16 10; #P connect 21 11 16 11; #P connect 21 12 16 12; #P connect 21 13 16 13; #P fasten 4 2 3 0 196 91 293 91; #P connect 3 0 14 0; #P connect 14 0 11 0; #P connect 11 0 24 0; #P connect 24 0 25 0; #P connect 21 14 16 14; #P connect 21 15 16 15; #P connect 21 16 16 16; #P connect 21 17 16 17; #P connect 21 18 16 18; #P connect 21 19 16 19; #P connect 21 20 16 20; #P connect 21 21 16 21; #P connect 21 22 16 22; #P connect 21 23 16 23; #P connect 21 24 16 24; #P connect 21 25 16 25; #P connect 21 26 16 26; #P connect 21 27 16 27; #P connect 21 28 16 28; #P connect 21 29 16 29; #P connect 21 30 16 30; #P connect 21 31 16 31; #P pop; From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Sat Dec 8 05:15:56 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Sat Dec 8 05:16:16 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Re: saving text with a preset In-Reply-To: <1e15d.47597fa4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e1ab.475a8afb@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Fri, 07 December 2007 18:15 ---------------------------------------------------- So - while we we are telling hosts that a certain param or set of params is "hidden" sometimes that host will just ignore this and do whatever it likes, as Live does. .. and Logic -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From nuon at mac.com Sat Dec 8 20:36:28 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Sat Dec 8 20:36:36 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e154.47595dd4@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e1ea.475b62bb@www.cycling74.com> I set the plugconfig latency to 64 and the MIDI timing jitter is better now. It's about 6 ms. Although Nuendo + MIDI Yoke + MAX stand alone patch show better performance (1-2 ms jitter), Pluggo is now usable. From nuon at mac.com Sat Dec 8 20:37:23 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Sat Dec 8 20:37:28 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo midi latency In-Reply-To: <1e176.4759a73a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e1eb.475b62f3@www.cycling74.com> Hi Andrew, I set the plugconfig latency to 64 and the MIDI jitter is better now. It's about 6 ms. Although Nuendo + MIDI Yoke + MAX stand alone patch show better performance (1-2 ms jitter), Pluggo is now usable. Thanks a lot! From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 02:41:50 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 02:41:53 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e1ea.475b62bb@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e21e.475d09dd@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Cloud P wrote on Sun, 09 December 2007 04:36 ---------------------------------------------------- > I set the plugconfig latency to 64 and the MIDI timing jitter is better now. It's about 6 ms. Although Nuendo + MIDI Yoke + MAX stand alone patch show better performance (1-2 ms jitter), Pluggo is now usable. ---------------------------------------------------- But that would mean you receive controller data 64 samples too soon in max, right? Does this setting have effect on the accuracy? That surprises me! I'll give it a try. Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From nuon at mac.com Mon Dec 10 02:53:52 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Mon Dec 10 02:53:54 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e21e.475d09dd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e21f.475d0cb0@www.cycling74.com> Plugconfig latency setting affects the accuracy in Nuendo. plugconfig "latency 64" flag is actually latency 128 in Nuendo. Nuendo adds 64 automatically for some reason. Without plugconfig latency flag, Nuendo recognizes Pluggo as latency 64. From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 03:31:25 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 03:31:36 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e21f.475d0cb0@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e221.475d1578@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Cloud P wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 10:53 ---------------------------------------------------- > Plugconfig latency setting affects the accuracy in Nuendo. plugconfig "latency 64" flag is actually latency 128 in Nuendo. Nuendo adds 64 automatically for some reason. Without plugconfig latency flag, Nuendo recognizes Pluggo as latency 64. ---------------------------------------------------- >From the docs, the latency message is meant for the host to compensate for a possible latency inside the plugin, I don't think it should affect the accuracy in any way. I tried setting latency to 64 in plugconfig, but the timing error remains 20 ms. In Logic, that is. Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From cycling at editions-ihs.com Mon Dec 10 03:38:41 2007 From: cycling at editions-ihs.com (Salvator) Date: Mon Dec 10 03:39:33 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1d4ff.472f266c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e222.475d1731@www.cycling74.com> Hi, Does adding the #C accurate; line in plugconfig changes anything ? Salvator From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 03:56:04 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 03:56:06 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <59D17156-737B-4CD9-A210-78B59386A5ED@mac.com> Message-ID: <1e224.475d1b41@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Mark Pauley wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 20:46 ---------------------------------------------------- > For giggles, could you try to set your buffer size much lower and much > higher and then repeat the test? You should see a corresponding > change in the variance of your pp timings. Hi Mark, Here are the results: http://www.smadsteck.nl/Pluggo%20timer%20test%203.mov As far as I can see, the relation is not as straightforward as you'd expect. What really surprises me is that the behaviour at a 32 samples buffer size is different after changing the buffer size to 1024 and back! I would highly appreciate a comment from a cycling 74 expert on this.. Thanks, Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 04:08:59 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 04:09:01 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e222.475d1731@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e225.475d1e4a@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Salvator wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 11:38 ---------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > Does adding the #C accurate; line in plugconfig changes anything ? > > Salvator ---------------------------------------------------- Not really, http://www.smadsteck.nl/Pluggo%20timer%20test%204.mov although in this movie it is really obvious that changing the buffer size to 1024 and back to 32 makes a huge difference! Help!! Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From halbander at gmx.de Mon Dec 10 04:33:12 2007 From: halbander at gmx.de (halbander) Date: Mon Dec 10 04:31:39 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e225.475d1e4a@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e225.475d1e4a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1B0F38F6-FF0F-4178-93AD-CB5B86063E1A@gmx.de> Hi Mattijs by the way, how do you shot this movie ? rH > Not really, > > http://www.smadsteck.nl/Pluggo%20timer%20test%204.mov > > although in this movie it is really obvious that changing the > buffer size to 1024 and back to 32 makes a huge difference! Help!! From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 04:44:11 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 04:44:12 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1B0F38F6-FF0F-4178-93AD-CB5B86063E1A@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1e22a.475d268b@www.cycling74.com> Quote: halbander@gmx.de wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 12:31 ---------------------------------------------------- > Hi Mattijs > > by the way, how do you shot this movie ? > > rH With iShowU. I love it. Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From halbander at gmx.de Mon Dec 10 05:17:15 2007 From: halbander at gmx.de (halbander) Date: Mon Dec 10 05:15:43 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e22a.475d268b@www.cycling74.com> References: <1e22a.475d268b@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: Hi Mattijs, thanks, it is really handy. rH >> by the way, how do you shot this movie ? >> >> rH > > With iShowU. I love it. From andrew at cycling74.com Mon Dec 10 09:18:46 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Mon Dec 10 09:18:49 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1e24d.475d66e6@www.cycling74.com> >>>I would highly appreciate a comment from a cycling 74 expert on >>this.. I have no idea what Logic is doing there.We would need to look at it in more detail. Because this in depth look is not going to happen now, I would suggest that you have come up against the limit of pluggo performance in this area. Sorry for so baldly stating the obvious. Having said that - please send us the timing test plug and patch and I'll have a play with it and ask some questions. support@ is fine - put a note on it that I want to see it. Thanks Andrew From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Mon Dec 10 10:08:23 2007 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Mon Dec 10 10:08:25 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e24d.475d66e6@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e254.475d7287@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 17:18 ---------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>I would highly appreciate a comment from a cycling 74 expert on >>this.. > > I have no idea what Logic is doing there.We would need to look at it in more detail. Because this in depth look is not going to happen now, I would suggest that you have come up against the limit of pluggo performance in this area. Sorry for so baldly stating the obvious. Thanks, it's valuable to know that we're not overlooking something obvious, that this is an actual problem that is not easy to solve. > > Having said that - please send us the timing test plug and patch and I'll have a play with it and ask some questions. support@ is fine - put a note on it that I want to see it. Sure, done. Mattijs -- SmadSteck - http://www.smadsteck.nl Hard- and software for interactive audiovisual sampling From nuon at mac.com Tue Dec 11 04:38:47 2007 From: nuon at mac.com (Cloud P) Date: Tue Dec 11 04:38:49 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Events seem to enter pluggo with highly inaccurate timing. In-Reply-To: <1e221.475d1578@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e2a8.475e76c5@www.cycling74.com> It could be the host MIDI timing problem. When I tested Nuendo and Logic 7, Nuendo actually shows better performance in my system but some Logic user claim Logic 8 should have better MIDI timining than 7. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5516960 MIDI jitter is a very sensitive matter and affected by a lot of things, OS configuration, motherboard, memory. Host sequencer is just a part of it. Check SOS magazine Dec 2007. Have you ever tested the MIDI timing accuracy of the LOGIC in you system? Any difference between pluggo mode and stand alone mode? 6ms jitter in Pluggo mode in my system is still not very welcome, so I wish someone at C74 could take a look at it. MAX MIDI accuracy is much better (1ms). From mbmeijer at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 07:04:37 2007 From: mbmeijer at gmail.com (MB) Date: Tue Dec 18 07:04:39 2007 Subject: [pluggo] problem rendering a pluggo vst plugin in Wavelab Message-ID: <1e506.4767d374@www.cycling74.com> Hello, i've made a pretty simple patch to decode/encode an incoming M/S stereo signal (plugin) and send the result to the output (plugout). I've made it into an VST plugin. I can use it in Wavelab as a vst plugin and it works perfect. Now if I want to render a file in Wavelab using this plugin, all i get is silence. what could I be doing wrong? apps: Windows XP sp2 Wavelab 5 pluggo 3.5 max-msp 4.5 on an Intel Pentium D 3.0 GHz From cycling at editions-ihs.com Tue Dec 18 15:03:18 2007 From: cycling at editions-ihs.com (Salvator) Date: Tue Dec 18 15:03:22 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: problem rendering a pluggo vst plugin in Wavelab In-Reply-To: <1e506.4767d374@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e527.476843a6@www.cycling74.com> How long is the file you process ? I used to have about 3-5 seconds of silence at the begining of audio files rendered using pluggo. Salvator From mbmeijer at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 16:07:16 2007 From: mbmeijer at gmail.com (MB) Date: Tue Dec 18 16:07:20 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: problem rendering a pluggo vst plugin in Wavelab In-Reply-To: <1e506.4767d374@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e52f.476852a3@www.cycling74.com> thanks for the reply. The audio files I use are like 20 seconds long or something. But it's the same for shorter soundfiles. First I had the problem that rendering did nothing. Now i have the problem of only getting silence as a result. :( Is there some extra object needed in the msp-patch or is it just a Wavelab bug? grtz From dm at centrotemporeale.it Wed Dec 19 08:15:53 2007 From: dm at centrotemporeale.it (Damiano Meacci) Date: Wed Dec 19 08:15:55 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: problem rendering a pluggo vst plugin in Wavelab In-Reply-To: <1e506.4767d374@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e553.476935a8@www.cycling74.com> Hi, do you try your plugin in different VST host? (Nuendo or Cubase for instance) if you can try the plugin in Nuendo try also the export in realtime. In my experience some pluggo plugins work only with realtime export. From mbmeijer at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 11:09:20 2007 From: mbmeijer at gmail.com (MB) Date: Wed Dec 19 11:09:24 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: problem rendering a pluggo vst plugin in Wavelab In-Reply-To: <1e553.476935a8@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e56b.47695e50@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I can do the rendering in Nuendo without a problem, wether real-time or non real-time. Also Sonar does it well. grtz From leigh at netspace.org Fri Dec 21 11:52:18 2007 From: leigh at netspace.org (Leigh Marble) Date: Fri Dec 21 11:52:20 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Nuendo incompatibility / freezing / crashing? Message-ID: <1e5fa.476c0b61@www.cycling74.com> Any Nuendo users out there? Nuendo 3.2.1 specifically? I'm seeing an issue where Pluggo plug-ins (from the Pluggo Jr 3.6 package) load but the controls won't move. Trying to load one of the Pluggos that I made, after loading a Pluggo Jr plug-in, causes a crash. I'd love to hear from anyone who is either using Pluggo sucessfully with Nuendo 3.2.1, or who is also seeing controls freezing and/or application crashing. Thanks! Leigh From leigh at netspace.org Fri Dec 21 12:24:56 2007 From: leigh at netspace.org (Leigh Marble) Date: Fri Dec 21 12:24:58 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Nuendo incompatibility / freezing / crashing? In-Reply-To: <1e5fa.476c0b61@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e5fe.476c1308@www.cycling74.com> Nevermind (I hope).... I believe this issue is covered by the incremental update to the VSTPlugLib listed here: http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/IncrementalDownloads (search for "Nuendo" on that page)... If that doesn't do the trick, I'll post back here. Cheers, Leigh From penryn.budd at dragons-eye-bazaar.com Sun Dec 30 03:00:33 2007 From: penryn.budd at dragons-eye-bazaar.com (Penryn.Budd) Date: Sun Dec 30 03:00:34 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: pluggo in Kore (Native instruments) In-Reply-To: <12df6.44dc7afb@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e7eb.47776c3f@www.cycling74.com> NI are the crack-elite minds in the Germanic Synth Revolution, I got all their goodies one by one, Heaps better to look at then one dodgy Komplete box he,he " Re: Re: pluggo in Kore (Native instruments) " Fri, 11 August 2006 06:41 Roman Thilenius it is impossible to help NI they are lost Really guys, The pluggo synths are not even worth giving away for for free, So why so something so bum-licking, (I bought Pluggo based on the UK DACS vibe and also the sonic mangling sessions I soon look forward to). Sorry to be a pain in the arse, But if it wasn't for NI, Imagine what a Steinberg monopoly would feel like ;) From andrew at cycling74.com Sun Dec 30 10:05:57 2007 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Sun Dec 30 10:05:59 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Re: pluggo in Kore (Native instruments) In-Reply-To: <1e7eb.47776c3f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1e7f6.4777cff4@www.cycling74.com> FWIW, the kore 2 update works much better with pluggo and friends. Presets show up and you can save things successfully. -A From bob at dodgysound.com Mon Dec 31 23:38:00 2007 From: bob at dodgysound.com (Bob Scott) Date: Mon Dec 31 23:38:02 2007 Subject: [pluggo] Pluggo Automation does not work in Bounce - PT 7.3.1 Message-ID: <1e84b.4779dfc7@www.cycling74.com> Hello - when PT is in bounce, no automation seems to be read by the pluggos... it works fine in standard play mode... I am bouncing by recording to another track. Any ideas? PT 7.3.1 HD3 latest version of Pluggo. On another similar topic - Hipno seems to be rather unstable on PT and Live - again latest versions, just downloaded from c74. Thanks! Bob