From penryn.budd at dragons-eye-bazaar.com  Tue Jan  1 00:56:39 2008
From: penryn.budd at dragons-eye-bazaar.com (Penryn.Budd)
Date: Tue Jan  1 00:56:42 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo in Kore (Native instruments)
In-Reply-To: <12c40.44d372ca@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1e84f.4779f237@www.cycling74.com>


I actually just loaded pluggo 3.6.1 into the system and it sounds absolutely wicked, My bad ;(

Wicked synths '74 :)
From cycling at editions-ihs.com  Wed Jan  2 09:57:25 2008
From: cycling at editions-ihs.com (Salvator)
Date: Wed Jan  2 09:57:32 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Poly~ still has residual CPU when muted
Message-ID: <1e8b5.477bc273@www.cycling74.com>


Hi,


In MAX MSP, I can get my poly~ to be 100% bypassed and free all the CPU. Though, once my patch is converted as pluggo in DP 5.11, the muted poly~ still have strong residual CPU load. And this is about 20-30% of the CPU used when enabled...

I tried both the "mute 0 $1" and "enable" message.

Any clues ? 
In the poly~ there is several levelmeter~. Same result when using peakamp~.
I also tried with the regular bpatcher and mute~, but no improvment.

Here's the test pluggo (patch is bellow) :
http://www.editions-ihs.com/temp/GAINFAKE%20dev%20serial.vst.zip

Thanks !

Salvator


/********************************
PATCH :
********************************/


#P toggle 106 279 15 0;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P message 106 301 54 196617 mute 0 \$1;
#P comment 127 279 19 196617 all;
#P newex 375 87 60 196617 loadmess 1;
#B color 5;
#P toggle 375 113 15 0;
#P newex 375 133 58 196617 metro 300;
#B color 5;
#P flonum 375 175 52 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
#P newex 375 154 64 196617 adstatus cpu;
#B color 5;
#P window linecount 2;
#P comment 445 92 105 196617 in MAX \, MUTE free the CPU totally;
#P comment 430 175 83 196617 CPU utilization (0-100 percent);
#P user dial 179 97 154 154 25 1 0 0 158 270 2 1. 170 170 170 221 221 221 120 120 120 225 225 225 0 0 0 0 0 0;
#P window linecount 1;
#P hidden newex 279 539 34 196617 dbtoa;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 20.;
#P flonum 230 302 65 20 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
#P window linecount 2;
#P hidden message 961 187 94 196617 #C uniqueid 21 3 51 \;;
#P window linecount 1;
#P hidden newex 360 258 30 196617 - 12;
#B color 8;
#P hidden number 360 278 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
#P hidden user ezdac~ 721 21 765 54 0;
#P hidden message 957 133 14 196617 2;
#P hidden message 957 114 15 196617 1;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 20.;
#P comment 226 265 68 196628 GAIN;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
#P hidden message 734 235 43 196617 open;
#B color 8;
#P hidden newex 360 318 33 196617 + 12.;
#B color 8;
#P hidden newex 238 618 35 196617 *~ 1.;
#P hidden newex 170 607 35 196617 *~ 1.;
#P hidden newex 240 569 34 196617 *~ 1.;
#P hidden newex 170 570 34 196617 *~ 1.;
#P hidden user ezadc~ 734 256 778 289 0;
#N plugconfig;
#C useviews 0 1 0 0;
#C numprograms 16;
#C preempt 1;
#C sigvschange 1;
#C sigvsdefault 32;
#C setsize 520 420;
#C defaultview Interface 0 1 0;
#C dragscroll 1;
#C infotext <Type Info Text Here...>;
#C package PiMa;
#C setprogram 1 "Reset" 0 0.5;
#C uniqueid 21 3 51;
#C swirl;
#C accurate;
#C initialpgm 1;
#C nonrealtime;
#C category 1;
#P hidden newobj 891 192 53 196617 plugconfig;
#B color 15;
#P hidden newex 170 644 45 196617 plugout~;
#P hidden message 891 135 49 196617 recall \$1;
#P hidden newex 170 533 79 196617 plugin~;
#P background;
#P hidden newex 170 681 48 196617 dac~ 1 2;
#P background;
#N pp 1 Outgain -12 12 db;
#P hidden newobj 360 298 113 196617 pp 1 Outgain -12 12 db;
#B color 8;
#P background;
#P hidden message 988 133 120 196617 capture 2 "airy vintage";
#P hidden message 988 114 90 196617 capture 1 "Reset";
#P hidden newex 733 190 106 196617 bgcolor 150 150 230;
#B color 8;
#P background;
#P hidden newex 734 214 48 196617 loadbang;
#B color 8;
#P background;
#P newex 170 364 126 196617 poly~ gainfakepoly.pat 50;
#B color 5;
#P connect 37 0 36 0;
#P connect 36 0 0 0;
#P hidden connect 7 0 12 0;
#P hidden connect 12 0 14 0;
#P hidden connect 14 0 9 0;
#P hidden connect 9 0 6 0;
#P hidden connect 16 0 27 0;
#P hidden connect 26 0 12 1;
#P hidden connect 15 0 9 1;
#P hidden connect 9 1 6 1;
#P hidden connect 22 0 25 0;
#P hidden connect 13 0 15 0;
#P hidden connect 7 1 13 0;
#P hidden connect 26 0 13 1;
#P hidden connect 25 0 26 0;
#P hidden connect 27 0 23 0;
#P hidden connect 23 0 22 0;
#P hidden connect 22 0 5 0;
#P hidden connect 5 0 16 0;
#P connect 34 0 33 0;
#P connect 33 0 32 0;
#P connect 32 0 30 0;
#P connect 30 0 31 0;
#P hidden connect 1 0 17 0;
#P hidden connect 17 0 11 0;
#P hidden connect 20 0 8 0;
#P hidden connect 19 0 8 0;
#P hidden fasten 4 0 10 0 993 168 896 168;
#P hidden fasten 3 0 10 0 993 151 896 151;
#P hidden connect 8 0 10 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 38;




/********************************
POLY :
********************************/

#P user levelmeter~ 221 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 206 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 191 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 176 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 161 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 146 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 133 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 118 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 103 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 88 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P user levelmeter~ 73 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
#P window linecount 1;
#P newex 60 175 41 196617 *~ 0.3;
#B color 5;
#P objectname fffb[2];
#P user levelmeter~ 58 229 64 32 60 0 0 0 -100 27 0 0 0 0 0;
#X brgb 240 240 240;
#X frgb 200 200 200;
#X rgb2 0 0 0;
#X rgb3 0 0 0;
#X rgb4 0 0 0;
#X rgb5 255 0 0;
#X rgb6 220 100 100;
#X rgb7 220 150 80;
#X rgb8 220 200 100;
#X rgb9 180 210 100;
#X markers 6 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 -60 -80 0;
#X markersused 0;
#X done;
#P connect 1 0 12 0;
#P connect 1 0 11 0;
#P connect 1 0 10 0;
#P connect 1 0 9 0;
#P connect 1 0 8 0;
#P connect 1 0 7 0;
#P connect 1 0 6 0;
#P connect 1 0 5 0;
#P connect 1 0 4 0;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P connect 1 0 2 0;
#P connect 1 0 0 0;
#P window clipboard copycount 13;




From opallett at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 10:02:29 2008
From: opallett at yahoo.com (Owen Pallett)
Date: Wed Jan  2 10:02:36 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Controlling Pluggo VST objects with lists
Message-ID: <1e8b7.477bc3a4@www.cycling74.com>


Hi

I'm only on Day 4 of learning Max/MSP and it's been pretty hilarious.

My question is simple: can you control Pluggo's VST objects with lists?  Every time I call up my applications I have to reset all my values by hand.

Thanks, Owen
From opallett at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 10:15:48 2008
From: opallett at yahoo.com (Owen Pallett)
Date: Wed Jan  2 10:15:50 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Controlling Pluggo VST objects with lists
In-Reply-To: <1e8b7.477bc3a4@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1e8b9.477bc6c4@www.cycling74.com>


Hooray!  I figured it out.  Every day I'm getting a little better.
From andrewb at cycling74.com  Wed Jan  2 14:27:09 2008
From: andrewb at cycling74.com (Andrew Benson)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:27:27 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Pluggo Automation does not work in Bounce - PT 7.3.1
In-Reply-To: <1e84b.4779dfc7@www.cycling74.com>
References: <1e84b.4779dfc7@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <477C01AD.5010804@cycling74.com>

Hi Bob,
Try closing the Plug-in interface window when you bounce to disk.  Is 
automation working now?

AB

Bob Scott wrote:
> Hello - when PT is in bounce, no automation seems to be read by the pluggos... it works fine in standard play mode... I am bouncing by recording to another track. 
>
> Any ideas?
>
> PT 7.3.1 HD3
>
> latest version of Pluggo.
>
> On another similar topic - Hipno seems to be rather unstable on PT and Live - again latest versions, just downloaded from c74.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pluggo mailing list
> pluggo@cycling74.com
> http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo
>   

From roald.baudoux at brutele.be  Fri Jan  4 07:06:46 2008
From: roald.baudoux at brutele.be (Roald Baudoux)
Date: Fri Jan  4 07:07:30 2008
Subject: [pluggo] one input/several outputs plug-in in Logic Pro 8?
Message-ID: <F5C2F169-3699-45D2-A01A-7F4D53287186@brutele.be>

Hello,

I am working on a plug-ins to spatialize sounds in Logic Pro 8.

So far if I want to use a mono sound and sptialialize it over eight  
outputs I need to built a 8-inputs/8-outputs plug-in and I use only  
one input inside. Then I put my mono file on a 7.1 surround track and  
I insert the plug-in.

However, I wonder if it is possible to use a true 1-input/8-outputs  
plug-in with Logic Pro 8? How?

Roald Baudoux
From staplesyrup at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  4 08:09:44 2008
From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little)
Date: Fri Jan  4 08:09:46 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
Message-ID: <1e9ad.477e4c37@www.cycling74.com>


hello

if i open any pluggo VSTi in Live 6.03, whether one of my own or one of cycling74's own, i can only get decent timing if there is only a single pluggo VSTi open in Live. 

as soon as i open another pluggo VSTi, even if it is not playing, the timing of all Pluggo VST instruments gets unusably sloppy, typically wandering by around + or - 5ms.

adjusting Live's buffer makes no difference, and its worse when a pluggo window is opened. 

is there anything i can do ? I want to open a few soft synths, but the timing is so bad when i use more than one of them.....
--
www.myspace.com/binray
From iathason at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  6 01:30:48 2008
From: iathason at hotmail.com (jgt)
Date: Sun Jan  6 01:30:50 2008
Subject: [pluggo] runtime files trouble
Message-ID: <1ea6b.478091b6@www.cycling74.com>


I was hoping somebody might be able to clue me in as to why when I attempt to download any Pluggos that are out there, I only end up downloading a seemingly useless document (the kind I can't open). 

I'm using OSX on an Intel Macbook and I believe I installed the Pluggo Runtime properly (in order to be able to download free Pluggos only, for now)

I'm new to a lot of this and definitely have some blind spots. Does anyone know what I'm talking about or what I might be missing here?

Much Thanks, J
From mattijs at smadsteck.nl  Sun Jan  6 07:30:28 2008
From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers)
Date: Sun Jan  6 07:30:32 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: runtime files trouble
In-Reply-To: <1ea6b.478091b6@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ea7b.4780e603@www.cycling74.com>


Hi, 

Do the plugins that come with the pluggo installation work properly (apart from the occasional copy protection noise)? 

Best,
Mattijs
From dbeeson at mac.com  Sun Jan  6 09:54:39 2008
From: dbeeson at mac.com (Dominic)
Date: Sun Jan  6 09:54:41 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Pluggo/Digital Performer compatibility in os 10.5 Leopard
Message-ID: <1ea87.478107ce@www.cycling74.com>


happy new year everyone!

forumists have said that max/msp is ok in leopard, so i guess DP is not compatible with pluggo 3.6.1 in leopard...

DP and altiverb are fine; pluggo works in DSP-Quattro, but DP crashes on launch, now that i have installed pluggo on my leopard drive.

before you ask; DP is totally fine with pluggo 3.6.1 in 10.4.11.

anyone else had this experience?  any tricks?

i shall have a look at unicornation (the motu forum).

these compatibilities issues are frustrating because neither developer will ever take the rap...  and i really want to try my projects out in leopard!
--
G5 dual 2.0|4.5GB RAM|os 10.4.10|2 x HDD|Pluggo, DP5.12, Altiverb 6, VstWrapper.
From iathason at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  6 13:43:21 2008
From: iathason at hotmail.com (jgt)
Date: Sun Jan  6 13:43:24 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: runtime files trouble
In-Reply-To: <1ea7b.4780e603@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ea9e.47813d69@www.cycling74.com>


Mattijs,

What I downloaded is the Pluggo Runtime for Mac, which I don't think comes with any Pluggins -- perhaps I'm wrong about that? -- but I did download Pluggo Jr. after installing the runtime, which comes with a dozen plugins, and none of them work work in Live or Protools. They just sit in the plugins folder as .VST documents.

Thanks for your concern,   J
From mattijs at smadsteck.nl  Mon Jan  7 10:05:46 2008
From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers)
Date: Mon Jan  7 10:05:47 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: runtime files trouble
In-Reply-To: <1ea9e.47813d69@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eaea.47825be9@www.cycling74.com>


Ah, what I normally do (I don't own pluggo either but develop my own pluggo's with max) is download the complete pluggo install (not just runtime). If all is well, the 100 plugins coming with that install should show up in your host and work, except for a copy protection noise at regular intervals. 

Perhaps you could check if everything works up to there.

Mattijs
From cycling at editions-ihs.com  Mon Jan  7 14:21:52 2008
From: cycling at editions-ihs.com (Salvator)
Date: Mon Jan  7 14:21:57 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
In-Reply-To: <1e9ad.477e4c37@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb16.478297f0@www.cycling74.com>


Hi,

How is the CPU useage in both activity monitor and in the DAW ?

Salvator
From staplesyrup at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 15:36:10 2008
From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little)
Date: Mon Jan  7 15:36:14 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
In-Reply-To: <1eb16.478297f0@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb1c.4782a959@www.cycling74.com>


the effect is the same over a wide range of CPU usage. i can create a VSTi consisting of a click~ object and plugmidiin, plugout~ and plugconfig, and i will get bad timing with only two of those open. CPU usage would be about 1 percent in Live. 
--
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From staplesyrup at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 17:04:14 2008
From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little)
Date: Mon Jan  7 17:04:16 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
In-Reply-To: <1eb1c.4782a959@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb26.4782bdfe@www.cycling74.com>


according to cycling74 tech support, this is the normal performance limit at present. i'm wearing my sad face now.
--
www.myspace.com/binray
From seanzshow at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  7 19:31:18 2008
From: seanzshow at hotmail.com (seanzshow)
Date: Mon Jan  7 19:31:19 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Parameters dont work?
Message-ID: <1eb32.4782e074@www.cycling74.com>


I have written a basic synth patch using Max 4.6.2. I have saved this in VST format using the build Plugin option, and my synth will load into Ableton as a VST instrument. 

The problem is that my Biquad filter is not working, the break point envelopes dont function and if I click on a Ubumenu the sequencer crashes.

Am quite new to building Plugins so am guessing it could be something to do with the Plugconfig window coding?

 
From staplesyrup at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 07:14:20 2008
From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little)
Date: Tue Jan  8 07:14:24 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Parameters dont work?
In-Reply-To: <1eb32.4782e074@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb4b.4783853c@www.cycling74.com>


you can't use ubumenu in a pluggo vst. it crashes as you know.

have you added #C synth; to the plugconfig text?
--
www.myspace.com/binray
From seanzshow at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  8 09:24:52 2008
From: seanzshow at hotmail.com (seanzshow)
Date: Tue Jan  8 09:24:53 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Parameters dont work?
In-Reply-To: <1eb4b.4783853c@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb52.4783a3d3@www.cycling74.com>


Yea have done that, still no joy?
From iathason at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  8 12:45:08 2008
From: iathason at hotmail.com (jgt)
Date: Tue Jan  8 12:45:10 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: runtime files trouble
In-Reply-To: <1eaea.47825be9@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb61.4783d2c3@www.cycling74.com>


Hey Mattjis, You can't really use those plugins with that protection noise can you? Anyhow, I'm just trying to utilize some of the free ones offered here and there on line, and I think they are imbedding themselves properly now that I've trashed Stuffit expander -- seems that was messing up the process somehow.

I'd really be interested in getting into some of that Max stuff, once I get through this learning curve for Protools and midi. Is it a complicated process? Can you recommend any web-based articles or tutorials on it? 

Alright, take it easy,   J
From mattijs at smadsteck.nl  Tue Jan  8 13:48:25 2008
From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers)
Date: Tue Jan  8 13:48:27 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: runtime files trouble
In-Reply-To: <1eb61.4783d2c3@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eb69.4783e197@www.cycling74.com>


Quote: iathason@hotmail.com wrote on Tue, 08 January 2008 20:45
----------------------------------------------------
> Hey Mattjis, You can't really use those plugins with that protection noise can you? 

No, it was just a way to check if pluggo works correctly.

> Anyhow, I'm just trying to utilize some of the free ones offered here and there on line, and I think they are imbedding themselves properly now that I've trashed Stuffit expander -- seems that was messing up the process somehow.

Ah, good to hear it works. I heard more people complain about stuffit.

> 
> I'd really be interested in getting into some of that Max stuff, once I get through this learning curve for Protools and midi. Is it a complicated process? Can you recommend any web-based articles or tutorials on it? 

Well, learning Max is different from learning Protools although not necessarily more time consuming. The way I see it: Protools is an end-user application. That means it's their responsibility to make you understand it. Learning Protools costs a lot of time because they do quite a horrible job at that. Max is a programming language. That means it's your responsibility to make your own program, and of course you'll design it in a way that works for you. Learning Max can cost a lot of time, depending on your background, because you have to learn how to program.

But yes, there are a lot of great tutorials. They come with Max. Have a look at them and you'll see that learning how to program is a lot faster with Max than with a text-based programming language, simply because Max' syntax is much more intuitive.

Cheers,
Mattijs
From vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr  Wed Jan  9 05:53:05 2008
From: vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr (Vjeran Salamon)
Date: Wed Jan  9 05:53:07 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re:  Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4?
In-Reply-To: <4756F234.6080203@cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ebaa.4784c3b1@www.cycling74.com>


Looks like PTLE 7.4 does not support more than 169 pluggos in vst folder. If i put 170th PT crashes no matter which one i put.
Any idea?
From andrewb at cycling74.com  Wed Jan  9 17:59:06 2008
From: andrewb at cycling74.com (Andrew Benson)
Date: Wed Jan  9 17:59:09 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re:  Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4?
In-Reply-To: <1ebaa.4784c3b1@www.cycling74.com>
References: <1ebaa.4784c3b1@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <47856DDA.804@cycling74.com>

Hello,
Thanks for the tip.
Please try removing the Dither.dpm and Time Shift.dpm from your 
Digidesign Plugins folder.  Are you still getting a crash with more than 
169 pluggo plugs?

Let me know what you find.

Best,
Andrew B.

Vjeran Salamon wrote:
> Looks like PTLE 7.4 does not support more than 169 pluggos in vst folder. If i put 170th PT crashes no matter which one i put.
> Any idea?
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From randall at fader8.com  Wed Jan  9 18:49:55 2008
From: randall at fader8.com (Randall)
Date: Wed Jan  9 18:49:57 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re:  Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4?
In-Reply-To: <1ebaa.4784c3b1@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec18.478579c2@www.cycling74.com>


Quote: antidogmatiq~ wrote on Wed, 09 January 2008 07:53
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> Looks like PTLE 7.4 does not support more than 169 pluggos in vst folder. If i put 170th PT crashes no matter which one i put.
> Any idea?
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I'm not following you guys. I only have one file, Pluggo-RTAS.dpm in my HD/Library/Application Support/Digidesign/Plug-ins(Diabled) folder right now. If I move that one file to the enabled plug folder, then PT won't start.

What VST folder? Since when does PT support VST?
From vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr  Thu Jan 10 03:16:55 2008
From: vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr (Vjeran Salamon)
Date: Thu Jan 10 03:16:58 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re:  Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4?
In-Reply-To: <1ec18.478579c2@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec30.4785f097@www.cycling74.com>


pluggo rtas is a plugin in your digi plugins folder, but your actual pluggo plugins are in the vst folder. if you remove one of them (from the pluggo vst folder) you won't see it in the PT.
From andrewb at cycling74.com  Thu Jan 10 11:36:39 2008
From: andrewb at cycling74.com (Andrew Benson)
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:36:48 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re:  Pluggo RTAS in PT 7.4?
In-Reply-To: <1ec18.478579c2@www.cycling74.com>
References: <1ec18.478579c2@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <478665B7.6040900@cycling74.com>

Hello,
The Pluggo-RTAS plugin is the glue that allows our plugins to function 
as RTAS plugins.  The actual plugin files reside in 
Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/.

In the testing that I have done, removing the Digidesign included 
plugins "Dither.dpm" and "Time Shift.dpm" plugins appears to resolve any 
number limit on installed Pluggo plugins.  So far, this issue is looking 
pretty bizarre, and will probably need to be addressed by Digidesign.  
If this doesn't resolve things for you, I would like for you to try the 
following troubleshooting steps:
--move everything except for Pluggo-RTAS into the disabled plugins 
folder in the Digidesign Application Support folder.
--is Pro Tools starting up without crashing?
--Try adding a few plugins back and starting up Pro Tools.  Repeat until 
you see the crash again.
--Let us know which plugins brought the crash back again.

Since we are limited at this point to empirical data, any info you can 
provide is greatly appreciated.

best,
Andrew B.
From justin at lowtech.org  Fri Jan 11 05:38:01 2008
From: justin at lowtech.org (justin)
Date: Fri Jan 11 05:38:04 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
In-Reply-To: <1eb26.4782bdfe@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec83.47876328@www.cycling74.com>


Quote: bin wrote on Tue, 08 January 2008 00:04
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> according to cycling74 tech support, this is the normal performance limit of pluggo at present. i'm wearing my sad face now.
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so u cant load more than one pluggo vst in a daw without getting the timing discrepencies???

i presume it makes no difference loading them as AU instead of VST.

that's f**'d up...
From justin at lowtech.org  Fri Jan 11 05:44:36 2008
From: justin at lowtech.org (justin)
Date: Fri Jan 11 05:44:41 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Parameters dont work?
In-Reply-To: <1eb32.4782e074@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec85.478764b3@www.cycling74.com>


Quote: seanzshow@hotmail.com wrote on Tue, 08 January 2008 02:31
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> The problem is that my Biquad filter is not working, the break point envelopes dont function and if I click on a Ubumenu the sequencer crashes.
> 
> Am quite new to building Plugins so am guessing it could be something to do with the Plugconfig window coding?
> 
>  
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AFAIK, plugconfig has nothing to do with filters or envelopes in pluggo. so my hunch would be that the problem is related to filter / envelopes... 

without a patch to see == shooting in the dark
From mattijs at smadsteck.nl  Fri Jan 11 06:20:04 2008
From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers)
Date: Fri Jan 11 06:20:06 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: building a mac vst on windows problem
In-Reply-To: <1ebe7.47853434@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec87.47876d04@www.cycling74.com>


You are aware of the initialpgm parameter in plugconfig, right?

Mattijs
From staplesyrup at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 07:43:28 2008
From: staplesyrup at yahoo.com (James Little)
Date: Fri Jan 11 07:43:31 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Multiple Pluggo VSTi's = poor timing?
In-Reply-To: <1ec83.47876328@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ec8e.4787808f@www.cycling74.com>


AU instruments are affected too. I have only tested this in Live, but it seems that you can have one pluggo instrument with pluggo effects and its ok , but if you open any pluggo vsts or vstis on another channel then timing will suffer.
Its annoying. i get far better timing from my midi gear.
--
www.myspace.com/binray
From wells at submute.net  Tue Jan 15 20:40:52 2008
From: wells at submute.net (Wells Oliver)
Date: Tue Jan 15 20:40:54 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Mouse Mod not working in Logic 8?
Message-ID: <1ee05.478d7cc3@www.cycling74.com>


Using Logic 8 on OS 10.5.1 and the Mouse Mod plug-in doesn't seem to work: any movement simply sets the assigned parameter to its lowest possible value. Is this a known issue, or perhaps am I using Mouse Mod incorrectly?
--
Wells Oliver
wells@submute.net
http://www.submute.net
From wells at submute.net  Thu Jan 17 17:39:50 2008
From: wells at submute.net (Wells Oliver)
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:44:56 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Argh - all of a sudden some PACE software needed?
Message-ID: <1eef3.478ff556@www.cycling74.com>


Bought Pluggo, authorized it with the C74 response, ran it fine for a couple of days. Now when booting into Logic 8, it says NO WAY, that "required software extensions" are missing, and then I need to download PACE software (interLok extension?).

Do I need to do this, or is this a bug? A few minutes after alerting me, Logic 8 invariably crashes. Help!
--
Wells Oliver
wells@submute.net
http://www.submute.net
From jeremy at bootsquad.com  Thu Jan 17 18:12:29 2008
From: jeremy at bootsquad.com (Jeremy Bernstein)
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:12:35 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Argh - all of a sudden some PACE software needed?
In-Reply-To: <1eef3.478ff556@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1eefa.478ffcfc@www.cycling74.com>


Logic 8 crashing is, based on my experience, an all-too-common event, whether Pluggo is in use or not. Save early, save often.

If PACE is bugging you, though, download the new version of the Interlok Extensions and install them. In all likelyhood, it won't mess anything up, and will make Pluggo's copy protection much happier.

jb
From apalomba at austin.rr.com  Fri Jan 18 09:16:09 2008
From: apalomba at austin.rr.com (Anthony Palomba)
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:16:11 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re:  Re: Sonar and MAX/Pluggo?
In-Reply-To: <1b094.469eea26@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ef3c.4790d0c8@www.cycling74.com>


Trying again, has anyone had any success with getting 
a pluggo instrument to work in Sonar6 or Sonar7. 

I am trying to get a pluggo built with the "#C synth;"
option to show up as a synth so that I can send MIDI
data from my plugin to other tracks.

From nannygrimshaw at mac.com  Sat Jan 19 03:07:13 2008
From: nannygrimshaw at mac.com (Dominic)
Date: Sat Jan 19 03:07:14 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Pluggo/Digital Performer compatibility in os 10.5
	Leopard
In-Reply-To: <1ea87.478107ce@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1ef92.4791cbd0@www.cycling74.com>


well everyone is fine; ain't that just peachy!  [sarcasm]

cycling74 have finally admitted there may be problems for G5 users running pluggo in leopard, particularly with DP.

i do wish they had mentioned that in the beginning; i've wasted a lot of time.  i'll take up pluggo in leopard as soon as it's updated.

pluggo reminds me of a girlfriend from a few years ago; nuts but worth it.


--
G5 dual 2.0|4.5GB RAM|os 10.4.10|2 x HDD|Pluggo, DP5.12, Altiverb 6, VstWrapper.
From apalomba at austin.rr.com  Sun Jan 20 12:34:52 2008
From: apalomba at austin.rr.com (Anthony Palomba)
Date: Sun Jan 20 12:34:54 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Sonar and MAX/Pluggo?
In-Reply-To: <16f6f.45c90f9e@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1efce.4793a25b@www.cycling74.com>


After more investigation it looks like Sonar does not 
recognize the pluggo plugin as a VSTi, it thinks
it is an audio VST plugin. But I am definitely including the
"#C synth;" statement in my pluconfig. 

Can someone at Cycling74 please help with this...
From seanzshow at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 21 05:02:54 2008
From: seanzshow at hotmail.com (seanzshow)
Date: Mon Jan 21 05:02:55 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Opening patch windows in Vsts
Message-ID: <1f00e.479489ed@www.cycling74.com>


I was wondering if it is possible to have a VST with seperate windows when you open it, or have a visible patcher on the interface that will open when clicked on?
From gtaylor at rtqe.net  Mon Jan 21 11:46:54 2008
From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (gtaylor@rtqe.net)
Date: Mon Jan 21 11:46:59 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Opening patch windows in Vsts
Message-ID: <380-220081121184654302@M2W021.mail2web.com>


The VST spec doesn't let anyone open secondary windows; it's
the reason you shouldn't use the ubumenu object in a plug-in
interface.

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From apalomba at austin.rr.com  Wed Jan 23 06:54:56 2008
From: apalomba at austin.rr.com (Anthony Palomba)
Date: Wed Jan 23 06:54:58 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Re: Sonar and MAX/Pluggo?
In-Reply-To: <16f6f.45c90f9e@www.cycling74.com>
Message-ID: <1f0bd.47974730@www.cycling74.com>


I figured it out! When you add your pluggo to Sonar, it 
imports the pluggo as a VST. Bring up the plugin manager
and select the pluggo and select plugin properties. Enable 
"Configure as synth", your pluggo is then moved to the 
VSTi section. You can then add it as a synth, make sure 
you select enable MIDI output when you do.



Anthony

From hooyoobee at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 26 16:37:33 2008
From: hooyoobee at yahoo.com (Shawn)
Date: Sat Jan 26 16:37:35 2008
Subject: [pluggo] Problems with Phase Shifter audio unit and Garageband
Message-ID: <1f19d.479bc43c@www.cycling74.com>


I downloaded the Pluggo trial and later erased it.  Garage band now gives an error message stating "GarageBand unexpectedly quitwhile trying to use the Audio Unit "Phase Shifter" by "Pluggo".  This pug-in may require an update.  I tried searching with spotlight in vain.  How can I find the "Phase Shifter" plug-in?