From olivier.seb at free.fr Thu May 1 13:09:11 2008 From: olivier.seb at free.fr (Olivier Sebillotte) Date: Thu May 1 13:09:15 2008 Subject: [pluggo] really no way to open a vst~ in a pluggo ? Message-ID: <2235f.481a1557@www.cycling74.com> The manual says that it can't happen because the VST standard doesn't allow to open a second GUI window from the main plugin GUI. The fact is that bidule and Kore allow a second window. All I want is build a pluggo vst plugin that will load any VST to translate its parameters to OSC. The max patch exists and works fine, all we need is a plugin version. any clue ? thanks a lot Olivier From andrew at cycling74.com Thu May 1 17:48:44 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu May 1 17:48:47 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: really no way to open a vst~ in a pluggo ? In-Reply-To: <2235f.481a1557@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22397.481a56dc@www.cycling74.com> It's not ever going to happen in the current version of pluggo. For now you'd be better off using MIDI to control the parameters you wish to control, and writing an OSC to MIDI app or something. -A From olivier.seb at free.fr Thu May 1 20:38:36 2008 From: olivier.seb at free.fr (Olivier Sebillotte) Date: Thu May 1 20:38:39 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: really no way to open a vst~ in a pluggo ? In-Reply-To: <22397.481a56dc@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223b7.481a7eac@www.cycling74.com> Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 01:48 ---------------------------------------------------- > > > It's not ever going to happen in the current version of pluggo. > > For now you'd be better off using MIDI to control the parameters you wish to control, and writing an OSC to MIDI app or something. > > -A ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks Andrew for clear answer. Any chance that this will happen in pluggo V5 ? olivier From andrew at cycling74.com Thu May 1 21:36:49 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu May 1 21:36:52 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: really no way to open a vst~ in a pluggo ? In-Reply-To: <223b7.481a7eac@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223be.481a8c51@www.cycling74.com> Maybe. We've got to get to version 4 first :) -A From andrew.capon at zen.co.uk Thu May 1 23:09:54 2008 From: andrew.capon at zen.co.uk (Andrew Capon) Date: Thu May 1 23:09:56 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: really no way to open a vst~ in a pluggo ? In-Reply-To: <2235f.481a1557@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <223c7.481aa222@www.cycling74.com> Will it be available in version 4 then? Cheers Andy From elmiller at berklee.net Sat May 3 14:26:09 2008 From: elmiller at berklee.net (eric miller) Date: Sat May 3 14:26:13 2008 Subject: [pluggo] pluggo with max 5 init error Message-ID: <224b0.481cca61@www.cycling74.com> Hi Pluggo worked fine with max 4, but when I attempt to load a Pluggo plug-in in 5, I get an error message: plug-in name: plug-in initialization error I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. If anyone has any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! From lists at meisderu.com Sat May 3 18:03:39 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Sat May 3 18:03:43 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST Message-ID: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> Hello, I'm having a problem where quite a few of my Pluggo effects are listing themselves as instruments in Nuendo 4.1 on OSX 10.4.11 non-intel. Because they show up incorrectly, I can't access them to send audio through. Dynamical, for instance, is one of them. Is there a fix? Thanks, Ben From lists at meisderu.com Sat May 3 18:07:11 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Sat May 3 18:07:15 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <224da.481cfe2f@www.cycling74.com> oh, and it's pluggo version 3.6.1 From gtaylor at rtqe.net Sat May 3 18:43:24 2008 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Sat May 3 18:43:25 2008 Subject: [pluggo] pluggo with max 5 init error In-Reply-To: <224b0.481cca61@www.cycling74.com> References: <224b0.481cca61@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <481D06AC.60608@rtqe.net> eric miller wrote: > Hi > > Pluggo worked fine with max 4, but when I attempt to load a Pluggo plug-in in 5, I get an error message: > > plug-in name: plug-in initialization error > > I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. If anyone has any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it. I can help you with that, at least in terms of clarification: from http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/9/28/105551/882 "Another thing that won't work is Pluggo plug-ins based on Max 4. These will need to be converted to a new format based on Max 5. Unfortunately, this new format is unlikely to be ready when Max 5 is first released. If your life revolves around plug-in development, you'll probably want to wait to upgrade until we change our plug-in support to work with the new core environment. Support for non-Pluggo VST plug-ins has improved in Max 5." I'm afraid that this will be coming later. From elmiller at berklee.net Sat May 3 18:49:54 2008 From: elmiller at berklee.net (eric miller) Date: Sat May 3 18:49:57 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: pluggo with max 5 init error In-Reply-To: <481D06AC.60608@rtqe.net> Message-ID: <224e1.481d0832@www.cycling74.com> Thank you. From ben at cycling74.com Mon May 5 13:00:04 2008 From: ben at cycling74.com (Ben Bracken) Date: Mon May 5 13:00:06 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> References: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <481F5934.4060409@cycling74.com> Hi Ben, Currently we do not support the way that Nuendo 4 makes older VSTs compatible with the VST 3 spec. At this point we do not have a specific timetable for when this will be fixed, but we are aware of the issue and will be looking at ways to fix this for future Pluggo updates. All the best, -Ben ben wrote: > Hello, > I'm having a problem where quite a few of my Pluggo effects are listing themselves as instruments in Nuendo 4.1 on OSX 10.4.11 non-intel. > > Because they show up incorrectly, I can't access them to send audio through. Dynamical, for instance, is one of them. > > Is there a fix? > > Thanks, > > Ben > From lists at meisderu.com Mon May 5 19:50:18 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Mon May 5 19:50:21 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <481F5934.4060409@cycling74.com> Message-ID: <225e1.481fb95a@www.cycling74.com> Thanks Ben, Man, too bad! I remember running into this issue when building my own Pluggos. Is it not as simple as modifying the plugconfig file? Ben From andrew at cycling74.com Tue May 6 17:09:57 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Tue May 6 17:10:01 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <225e1.481fb95a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2264d.4820e544@www.cycling74.com> Not if the plugconfig file is already modified to correctly list Dynamical as an effect in all other hosts..... -A From lists at meisderu.com Wed May 7 10:59:35 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Wed May 7 10:59:43 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <2264d.4820e544@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <226c0.4821dff7@www.cycling74.com> Oh I see. How weird of Nuendo. From lists at meisderu.com Wed May 7 11:35:50 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Wed May 7 11:35:56 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <226c1.4821e876@www.cycling74.com> I wonder if you could do a Nuendo/Cubase 4 version. From lists at meisderu.com Thu May 8 03:05:53 2008 From: lists at meisderu.com (ben) Date: Thu May 8 03:05:58 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <224d8.481cfd5a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <226f1.4822c271@www.cycling74.com> btw, does this apply to the Hipno and Mode plug-ins as well? From pd.reid at gmail.com Thu May 15 10:41:35 2008 From: pd.reid at gmail.com (Peter Reid) Date: Thu May 15 10:41:42 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Some pluggo info needed... In-Reply-To: <21a7d.480cf543@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22a25.482c67be@www.cycling74.com> Not at all a pluggo expert but I've done a few tutorials etc. 1) Is there a way to save the settings for the particuluar pluggos between sessions, or do the parameters have to be readjusted everytime that pluggo is restarted? Yes 2) does pluggo support MIDI CC control over pluggo parameters? Yes 3) can individual pluggos be assigned different MIDI channels? Not too sure about this. I expect you could deal with this in your host application if supported, otherwise not too sure. It's bound to be possible.some way... Hope that helps. -- http://www.peterreid.org/code/ From ben at cycling74.com Thu May 15 13:11:08 2008 From: ben at cycling74.com (Ben Bracken) Date: Thu May 15 13:11:10 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Effects showing up as Instruments - Nuendo VST In-Reply-To: <226f1.4822c271@www.cycling74.com> References: <226f1.4822c271@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <482C8ACC.5010609@cycling74.com> Hi Ben, Yes, Hipno and Mode are built with the same Pluggo-based technology. -Ben ben wrote: > btw, does this apply to the Hipno and Mode plug-ins as well? > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo > From roald.baudoux at brutele.be Wed May 21 14:47:08 2008 From: roald.baudoux at brutele.be (Roald Baudoux) Date: Wed May 21 14:48:52 2008 Subject: [pluggo] You might want to know this! Message-ID: <981F4460-F91F-48CD-9C17-05B674921A43@brutele.be> I have spent two hours with a student searching why an homemade Pluggo wouldn't load. We discovered the cause was a buffer and a subpatch sharing the same name. It wasn't an issue as long as the patch was used in MaxMSP but prevented the Pluggo to be loaded in hosts (Live, Logic). Roald Baudoux From kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca Thu May 22 10:16:34 2008 From: kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca (Myrddin_Wyllt) Date: Thu May 22 10:16:38 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Unable to Create Plug-In, only Collective/Application Message-ID: <22d57.48359c61@www.cycling74.com> Hello, I downloaded Pluggo runtime and am on the first tutorial. I tried to the plug-in as a VST by selecting "Build Collective/Application" but when I go to select my format, there is no plugin option, only options for a collective or an application, which the tutorial specifically says not to save as. Does anyone know why I don't have a plugin format option? Do you need the full version, $200 :-(, version of pluggo to build plugins in Max? From gtaylor at rtqe.net Thu May 22 10:36:47 2008 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Thu May 22 10:36:57 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Unable to Create Plug-In, only Collective/Application In-Reply-To: <22d57.48359c61@www.cycling74.com> References: <22d57.48359c61@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <4835A11F.8020105@rtqe.net> From your description, it sounds as if you're attempting to build a plug-in using Max 5, which currently does not support building plug-ins. For more information, have a look at this post from February: http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/9/28/105551/882 The part "Old and New" specifically discusses this. And since I know it's your next question, there has been no date announced for adding this function, at present. Myrddin_Wyllt wrote: > Hello, I downloaded Pluggo runtime and am on the first tutorial. I tried to the plug-in as a VST by selecting "Build Collective/Application" but when I go to select my format, there is no plugin option, only options for a collective or an application, which the tutorial specifically says not to save as. Does anyone know why I don't have a plugin format option? Do you need the full version, $200 :-(, version of pluggo to build plugins in Max? > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo > > > From kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca Thu May 22 12:04:02 2008 From: kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca (Myrddin_Wyllt) Date: Thu May 22 12:04:09 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Unable to Create Plug-In, only Collective/Application In-Reply-To: <4835A11F.8020105@rtqe.net> Message-ID: <22d65.4835b592@www.cycling74.com> :-( From mattijs at smadsteck.nl Fri May 23 04:06:26 2008 From: mattijs at smadsteck.nl (Mattijs Kneppers) Date: Fri May 23 04:06:30 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Unable to Create Plug-In, only Collective/Application In-Reply-To: <22d65.4835b592@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22daf.48369721@www.cycling74.com> Quote: kyle.kaplan@mail.mcgill.ca wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 20:04 ---------------------------------------------------- > :-( ---------------------------------------------------- Of course, you can still use Max 4.. Btw, it's not necessary to pay for Pluggo if you build you own plugins. You pay for the collection of pre-made plugins. Mattijs From edoardo.arengi at gmail.com Sun May 25 14:54:23 2008 From: edoardo.arengi at gmail.com (edo) Date: Sun May 25 14:54:26 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Problem with Audiounit Scan In-Reply-To: <1b1b1.46a468df@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <22e81.4839d1fd@www.cycling74.com> Hello! I just want to see if anyone has any hint to resolve my problem that lasts since I installed Pluggo, almost 1 year ago... It seems that the Audiounit Scan process has a limit to the number of VST Pluggos that can be wrapped. I have Pluggo and Hypno (latest versions) and if I add some Pluggo based plugins from other developers (Daevl.Makr, capsella, audioo etc.), the last in the list are not wrapped at all. I noticed that the exclusion is based on alphabetical order: if I put a "Z" before the "Pluggo" name of the folder, than some of the plugs contained in that folder (the ones with name starting with "W" "X" "Z") will be excluded. The same apply if I put a "Z" in front of the "audioo" name ("Z audioo"): then the plugs contained in the "Z audioo" folder won't be wrapped. My system: Dual G5 2,7, OSX 10.4.8, Pluggo 3.6.1, Hipno 1.1.1, Max/MSP 4.6.3, Jitter 1.6.3. I made infinite try-outs, trying all possible combinations. All I can say is that it seems to me that there is a limit to the number of the VST Pluggos than can be wrapped: this number seems to be 246. Recently I bought Mode and guess what? Adding the Mode plug-ins cut other plug-ins that before could be wrapped. I take the Mode folder out of the VST folder and voila, those plugs are wrapped again! But if I call the Mode folder "Zode", so that it is the last folder containing pluggo plug-ins to be scanned, the plugs contained are not wrapped. From jshaw at bennington.edu Tue May 27 11:09:49 2008 From: jshaw at bennington.edu (Blake Shaw) Date: Tue May 27 11:09:54 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Max5 Pluggo runtime suggestion... Message-ID: <22f59.483c405d@www.cycling74.com> Hey, just wanted to make a quick suggested for the Max5 pluggo runtime. It's really simple (conceptually). If we could simply use presentation mode to build user interfaces, it would speed up pluggo development time incredibly. Don't know if this is much of c74 priority, but I thought I'd throw it out there. -- racecarproductions.com/artists/djholva.htm From autogusto at gmail.com Tue May 27 16:26:38 2008 From: autogusto at gmail.com (autogusto) Date: Tue May 27 16:26:42 2008 Subject: [pluggo] sorry but (error -5000 access denied) Message-ID: <22f95.483c8a9d@www.cycling74.com> sorry, i hate to ask for things that have being covered already but i have been looking the error creating file -5000 access denied error problem in the forum and in the synthesisters site (same database?) and i still can't make pluggo 3.2.2s and max below 4.5.5 installers (downloaded from the web) work in both cases i have the -5000 message at the beginning of the installing (copying) i try erasing the cycling folder checking the permissions in the framework folder repairing the permissions with disk utility cleaning any other versions using the utility of pluggo 3.6 everything i guess but the pru.sit file that isn't available anymore from the www.synthesisters.com/downloads i have being dealing with this for a long time i'm trying with no success in two computers running tiger 10.4.11 thank you From ben at cycling74.com Tue May 27 16:57:25 2008 From: ben at cycling74.com (Ben Bracken) Date: Tue May 27 16:57:28 2008 Subject: [pluggo] sorry but (error -5000 access denied) In-Reply-To: <22f95.483c8a9d@www.cycling74.com> References: <22f95.483c8a9d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <483C91D5.7050106@cycling74.com> If you have Pluggo 3+ and Max/MSP 4.5+ licenses, then you should definitely be using Pluggo 3.6.1 and Max/MSP 4.6.3, which you can download from our web site: http://cycling74.com/downloads That being said, if you are seeing -5000 error, this usually means there is something wrong with permissions on your machine. First try running the Disk Utility application found in: ../Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility In a lot of cases, this will be all which is necessary and you may now install. If this doesn't seem to do the trick, please email support at cycling74.com with your OS, computer model, versions of Max/MSP and Pluggo installed, and a step by step breakdown of what exactly you are experiencing. -Ben autogusto wrote: > sorry, i hate to ask for things that have being covered already > but i have been looking the > error creating file -5000 access denied error problem > in the forum and in the synthesisters site (same database?) > and i still can't make pluggo 3.2.2s and max below 4.5.5 installers (downloaded from the web) work > in both cases i have the -5000 message at the beginning of the installing (copying) > i try erasing the cycling folder > checking the permissions in the framework folder > repairing the permissions with disk utility > cleaning any other versions using the utility of pluggo 3.6 > everything i guess but the pru.sit file that isn't available anymore from the > www.synthesisters.com/downloads > > i have being dealing with this for a long time > i'm trying with no success in two computers running tiger 10.4.11 > From edoardo.arengi at gmail.com Thu May 29 07:59:43 2008 From: edoardo.arengi at gmail.com (edo) Date: Thu May 29 07:59:49 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Problem with Audiounit Scan In-Reply-To: <1b1b1.46a468df@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <23061.483eb6ce@www.cycling74.com> Just a little friendly bump... Anyone? I'd really need to solve this issue... Thanks From ben at cycling74.com Thu May 29 11:10:16 2008 From: ben at cycling74.com (Ben Bracken) Date: Thu May 29 11:10:18 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Problem with Audiounit Scan In-Reply-To: <22e81.4839d1fd@www.cycling74.com> References: <22e81.4839d1fd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <483EE378.40300@cycling74.com> Edo, We have tested on our system with a 500+ plug-ins and not been able to duplicate this problem. There is a Pro Tools 7.4 specific issue with certain plug-in combinations, but this does not affect AudioUnit Scan. The first thing I would suggest is to make sure that all of your Pluggo-based plug-ins are compatible with the latest version of Pluggo, 3.6.1. If you have older Pluggo based plug-ins floating around that were not compiled with Max/MSP 4.6+, this will cause problems. If you don't know, please contact these third party developers to see if they offer Pluggo 3.6.1 (UB) compatible versions. If you are getting errors that relate to duplicate plug-ins being scanned, this means that there is a pluggo uniqueid being used more than once. Again, you will need to contact the third party developer for support regarding this. What it boils down to is that if all of the Cycling '74 Pluggo-based plug-ins are working fine when other plugs are not present, it means that there is a conflict with the third party plugs you are using. For example, Capsella requires an additional support framework to be installed, so make sure you have all of the extra bits for these. -Ben Cycling '74 Support edo wrote: > Hello! > > I just want to see if anyone has any hint to resolve my problem that lasts since I installed Pluggo, almost 1 year ago... > > It seems that the Audiounit Scan process has a limit to the number of VST Pluggos that can be wrapped. I have Pluggo and Hypno (latest versions) and if I add some Pluggo based plugins from other developers (Daevl.Makr, capsella, audioo etc.), the last in the list are not wrapped at all. I noticed that the exclusion is based on alphabetical order: if I put a "Z" before the "Pluggo" name of the folder, than some of the plugs contained in that folder (the ones with name starting with "W" "X" "Z") will be excluded. The same apply if I put a "Z" in front of the "audioo" name ("Z audioo"): then the plugs contained in the "Z audioo" folder won't be wrapped. > My system: Dual G5 2,7, OSX 10.4.8, Pluggo 3.6.1, Hipno 1.1.1, Max/MSP 4.6.3, Jitter 1.6.3. > > I made infinite try-outs, trying all possible combinations. All I can say is that it seems to me that there is a limit to the number of the VST Pluggos than can be wrapped: this number seems to be 246. > > Recently I bought Mode and guess what? Adding the Mode plug-ins cut other plug-ins that before could be wrapped. I take the Mode folder out of the VST folder and voila, those plugs are wrapped again! But if I call the Mode folder "Zode", so that it is the last folder containing pluggo plug-ins to be scanned, the plugs contained are not wrapped. > From kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca Thu May 29 15:17:07 2008 From: kyle.kaplan at mail.mcgill.ca (Kyle Kaplan) Date: Thu May 29 15:17:12 2008 Subject: [pluggo] Re: Max5 Pluggo runtime suggestion... In-Reply-To: <22f59.483c405d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2308e.483f1d53@www.cycling74.com> i second this notion.