From andrew at cycling74.com Wed Apr 2 15:15:06 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Wed Apr 2 15:15:11 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <212ae.47f11c93@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2142f.47f3f759@www.cycling74.com> As far as the lack of transport/playback on PPC goes, try deleting your prefs and resetting the audio driver. -A From djholva at yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 21:46:40 2008 From: djholva at yahoo.com (Jonathan Shaw) Date: Tue Apr 8 21:46:46 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <215a8.47fc3c1f@www.cycling74.com> Hey I've been thinking about getting radial, but now this thread is making me doubt that I actually want it. What is the cause of these clicks? Is it a sudden change in frequency or amplitude? Could this not be fixed through the use of something like a line~ object which would smooth the transition? I don't know much about radial, but I figured you would be able to alter certain functions of it as if it were a patch. At the same time I'm pretty new to Max so this might be a naive assumption. And if this is something that you can't change and just have to deal with in hopes that others will value it for esoteric appeal, I'm with burnt fingers. It's much easier to buy other software that doesn't create this problem then to rent out studio time in order to master your music to the point that the clicks are gone. Too much in electronic music today revolves around sound quality, especially within genres I would think that radial users are making. From reeaks at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 01:10:05 2008 From: reeaks at gmail.com (reeaks) Date: Wed Apr 9 01:10:10 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Looking for tools like Radial for PC Message-ID: <215b0.47fc6bcd@www.cycling74.com> Hello, I'm looking for loop-based tools/patches like Radial for PC. I'm using Logic 5 on PC (win XP) and Max/Msp as well. Recommend me please. From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Apr 11 09:08:18 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Apr 11 09:08:22 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <215a8.47fc3c1f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <216d7.47ff7ee1@www.cycling74.com> Sounds to me as if it is not the tool for you. The clicks aren't bugs or mistakes.They are deliberate. Try the demo. One possibility for incorporating clickless slowdowns would be to use a pluggo plugin, or some other plug like the awesome phatmatik pro from Izotope. -A From artofnoises at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 10:10:56 2008 From: artofnoises at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Sm9zZXBoIFlvdW5n?=) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:13:03 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <216d7.47ff7ee1@www.cycling74.com> References: <215a8.47fc3c1f@www.cycling74.com><216d7.47ff7ee1@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <832653727-1207930378-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-281447151-@bxe008.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Can anyone from Cycling 74 tell me when we are going to see a stable version of Radial for Intel. As a long time user and fan, and now needing to work with it under demanding conditions (3-4 hour sessions, where the beta will crash 3 or 4 times during that period) I'm getting worried that my tool of choice is never going to be updated. So much so, that I've even taken the drastic step of enrolling on a Max/MSP beginners course (!!!) which I swore I would never do. Joe Joseph Young www.josephyoung.co.uk www.fieldrecording.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:08:18 To:radial@cycling74.com Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping Sounds to me as if it is not the tool for you. The clicks aren't bugs or mistakes.They are deliberate. Try the demo. One possibility for incorporating clickless slowdowns would be to use a pluggo plugin, or some other plug like the awesome phatmatik pro from Izotope. -A _______________________________________________ radial mailing list radial@cycling74.com http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial From cgibson777 at aol.com Fri Apr 11 12:59:47 2008 From: cgibson777 at aol.com (Loopy C) Date: Fri Apr 11 12:59:53 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <216f5.47ffb522@www.cycling74.com> For my part, I have other app's to do similar things (without the clicks) but after thoroughly trying the demo I was simply sold on what Radial did and was well aware that I had probably come in towards the end of it's 'life'. Still working on a PPC machine, I got it for what it could do right now for me, clicks and all! and enjoy it's unique way of working and output, so I had no other expectations/needs beyond what it already did when I bought it and continue to enjoy it's 'special' abilities. Obviously a personal choice for each of us (and apparently a less than desirebly situation for Intel users)and another reason I will stay with PPC (at least for a secondary machine) for a while longer. Good luck in that Max class, and if you come up with anything I am always 'in the market' for looping software :) From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Apr 11 17:31:49 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Apr 11 17:31:52 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <832653727-1207930378-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-281447151-@bxe008.bisx.produk.on.black> Message-ID: <2170e.47fff4e5@www.cycling74.com> Hi Joe, We're not having stability problems with the Intel version of radiaL. If you get crashes - please send us in details of how it is crashing, and include crash logs. That way we might have a chance of fixing what you are seeing. I'm not aware of any performance degradation in the UB version. I think it's actually working a bit better. -A From artofnoises at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 16:47:16 2008 From: artofnoises at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Sm9zZXBoIFlvdW5n?=) Date: Sat Apr 12 16:49:29 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping Message-ID: <1141908657-1208040559-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1364876182-@bxe012.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hi, I will indeed keep crash logs. The crashes happened when I was running a number of input channels in a live performance. The save function of the control map seems erratic as well. .For a start there is no feedback from the interface to tell that a save has been successful and some of the changes just don't get saved when you next open the file. For instance, all the audio channel settings will stick apart from maybe Loop channel 1 which will be blank or incomplete. No delaye which I know has been mentioned before. A white background on loading a preset rather than a new file which is cleared by Refresh Screen. All my loop channels are loading with the filters closed right down on opening a new file and no obvious way to click and drag them open again. Seems like the preset has become corrupted. Files I've already saved seem fine in this respect. Those are some of the problems I'm currently experiencing All the best, Joe ------Original Message------ From: Andrew Pask Sender: radial-bounces@cycling74.com To: radial@cycling74.com ReplyTo: radial@cycling74.com Sent: 12 Apr 2008 00:31 Subject: Re: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping Hi Joe, We're not having stability problems with the Intel version of radiaL. If you get crashes - please send us in details of how it is crashing, and include crash logs. That way we might have a chance of fixing what you are seeing. I'm not aware of any performance degradation in the UB version. I think it's actually working a bit better. -A _______________________________________________ radial mailing list radial@cycling74.com http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial Joseph Young www.josephyoung.co.uk www.fieldrecording.org.uk From info at circleintosquare.com Tue Apr 22 11:07:06 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:07:11 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <2142f.47f3f759@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21af0.480e1b3a@www.cycling74.com> hey andrew, fyi i did actually try this, trashed all the prefs and everything you recommended, with the same results. i could just completely trash the install and reinstall it to see if that works, but i will have to re-authorize, correct? From andrew at cycling74.com Tue Apr 22 21:07:08 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Tue Apr 22 21:07:14 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21af0.480e1b3a@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21b76.480ea7dc@www.cycling74.com> Nope - the auth will persist. Lemme know how it goes... -A From info at circleintosquare.com Fri Apr 25 12:24:40 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Fri Apr 25 12:24:47 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21b76.480ea7dc@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21eb1.481221e8@www.cycling74.com> andrew, so i uninstalled the program (including all prefs, related files) and reinstalled. the authorization did persist, but so did the playback problems. same problems as before, it just doesn't playback at all. From burland at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 16:20:59 2008 From: burland at earthlink.net (Scott Burland) Date: Mon Apr 28 16:21:08 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Monitoring audio input Message-ID: <2213a.48164dca@www.cycling74.com> Hi all- I've got a PB G4 1.5GHz 1.25GB RAM OSX 10.4.11 Been using Radial for many years loading samples and playing around and such. Today I tried running a theremin through Radial (I'm using an M-Audio FireWire Solo as an interface). I see I'm getting an input level and indeed the recording is loaded and will play back fine. PROBLEM: Can't seem to monitor the input signal I'm thinking it's just a setting that I'm missing Help & thanks S From artofnoises at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 17:11:19 2008 From: artofnoises at gmail.com (Joseph Young) Date: Tue Apr 29 17:11:26 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Irritating Bugs Message-ID: OK - here's the first of my beta bug reports. I'm putting Radial through it's paces again in a marathon live jam for the next couple of days, so will post as stuff comes up. Radial has a habit of randomly loading up a new file with all the channel filters closed down, and with no way to double-click or drag them open. The strange thing is they look like they should be open, until you realise that the filters are all in light blue to indicate that the filters are completely closed off. The only way to cure is to reboot radial, sometimes 5 or 6 times, until the filters load up in their usual open position. Strange but true - you can drag an individual loop channel around the screen causing some weird screen redraws in the process by holding down Apple + Shift. Talking of screen redraws - Radial sometimes, draws the background as white instead of black, or one of the loop channels in expanded mode will show as a block of white on first opening a new radial file. The configuration window opens underneath the top menu bar in the top left hand corner and can only be closed by Apple + W, as the button/ menu bar is not visible, and therefore the window cannot be dragged to a new position. Midi controllers don't work until the channel selection is scrolled first away from 1 to 16 and then back to 1 again. Macbook Pro 2.16 ghz core 2 duo; 10.4.11; 2 gb RAM Joe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While I appreciate you including the sytem/version stuff, the materials listed above would also be helpful to know. The only bit of any of this I've ever seen is the MIDI controller channel selection [scroll first] but, which I know Andrew knows about. From artofnoises at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 00:36:48 2008 From: artofnoises at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Sm9zZXBoIFlvdW5n?=) Date: Wed Apr 30 00:37:04 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Irritating Bugs In-Reply-To: <4817B183.7030809@rtqe.net> References: <4817B183.7030809@rtqe.net> Message-ID: <920485854-1209537417-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-261380012-@bxe053.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Sorry about that wasn't aware that it was relevant. Behringer BCR2000 and Pro Tools M8ox and occasionally an MBox 2 mini. You're right that sometimes I launch the programme without any controllers attached, so how do.I get around this? Do I need to save different starting configurations and launch radial from those? BTW I've been using radial on and off since the very original beta version and have only ever seen this behaviour on the UB version. Best, Joe Joseph Young www.josephyoung.co.uk www.fieldrecording.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Taylor Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:38:43 To:radial@cycling74.com Subject: Re: [radiaL] Irritating Bugs I would be willing to bet based on some of this that you've forgotten to mention about some bits of outboard equipment you're using radiaL *with* - audio interfaces, external controllers, MIDI interfaces [if any] that you haven't said anything about. One screamingly obvious case of this would be the light blue filters - that's often a consequence of starting the program with a different audio input/output configuration than you had the last time you ran it or saved state. While I appreciate you including the sytem/version stuff, the materials listed above would also be helpful to know. The only bit of any of this I've ever seen is the MIDI controller channel selection [scroll first] but, which I know Andrew knows about. _______________________________________________ radial mailing list radial@cycling74.com http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial