From david at 5of4.com Mon Feb 4 21:40:11 2008 From: david at 5of4.com (David Morneau) Date: Mon Feb 4 21:40:28 2008 Subject: [radiaL] VST instruments Message-ID: <1f46f.47a7e8aa@www.cycling74.com> Hi Is it possible to route MIDI note data directly to a VST instrument? I would like to be able to play some notes on top of my loops. I found a plugin I like, and have gotten it to load, I'm just not sure how to play it in the radial environment, if at all. Thanks David -- ------ http://5of4.com From kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 05:55:51 2008 From: kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com (kevinmccullagh@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Feb 12 05:56:06 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Cliks when looping Message-ID: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Hi, I am having problems with clicks when using the forward<->reverse and random dice playback function. The SPL often jumps to the middle of a wave/transient causing an inevitable click. The problem seems to be caused by the transients in the file not matching the slice points. I can minimize the problem by nudging the sample slightly but this is less than ideal. Additional the x-fade function doesn't seem to make a difference. Is there anythin that can be done? PS I am currently using the demo version of the software if that makes any difference to it's functionality. thanks, kevin From yigitdemirel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 11:03:42 2008 From: yigitdemirel at yahoo.com (yigit) Date: Tue Feb 12 11:03:44 2008 Subject: [radiaL] custom plug-ins Message-ID: <1f736.47b1df7d@www.cycling74.com> Hello everyone Is there any some kind of simple sequencer for the radial for intel while you arrange some loops predetermined with it and plus you actual on-the-move way of composing music. Maybe a Pluggo plug-in for that? I have a pic for what I mean. Maybe anyone would like to check it out... http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1109/radiallargeeo9.jpg Also, is there any custom pluggo plug-ins? Thanks pil From gtaylor at rtqe.net Tue Feb 12 11:25:59 2008 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Tue Feb 12 11:26:04 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> References: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: >Hi, > >I am having problems with clicks when using the forward<->reverse >and random dice playback function. The SPL often jumps to the middle >of a wave/transient causing an inevitable click. > >The problem seems to be caused by the transients in the file not >matching the slice points. I can minimize the problem by nudging the >sample slightly but this is less than ideal. > >Additional the x-fade function doesn't seem to make a difference. Is >there anythin that can be done? > >PS I am currently using the demo version of the software if that >makes any difference to it's functionality. Hi, Kevin. The click isn't a bug - as a general approach, radiaL is specifically intended to celebrate those discontinuities, as opposed to a program that smooths or timestretches, etc.. That may not necessarily mix well with your aesthetic, but it was/is a mindful decision. gregory -- all the clouds turn to words / all the words float in sequence / no one knows what they mean / everyone just ignores them // Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net From gtaylor at rtqe.net Tue Feb 12 22:17:13 2008 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Tue Feb 12 22:17:15 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: custom plug-ins In-Reply-To: <1f736.47b1df7d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1f776.47b27d58@www.cycling74.com> > Is there any some kind of simple sequencer for the radial for intel while you arrange some loops predetermined with it and plus you actual on-the-move way of composing music. Maybe a Pluggo plug-in for that? Not really. radiaL is Mac only, at this point. > > I have a pic for what I mean. Maybe anyone would like to check it out... > > http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1109/radiallargeeo9.jpg That is an old screen capture of a much earlier version of radiaL. A very, *very* old screen capture. > > Also, is there any custom pluggo plug-ins? I'm not sure I understand your question. Custom plug-ins can be made by anyone who owns Max/MSP, although the radiaL display external itself is a proprietary object we have no plans to release. If you're asking whether or not there's a third-party plug-in out there that copies radiaL's functionality, then I'd say no, not really - for Mac *or* Intel. -- knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this equation From yigitdemirel at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 05:09:25 2008 From: yigitdemirel at yahoo.com (yigit) Date: Wed Feb 13 05:09:26 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: custom plug-ins In-Reply-To: <1f776.47b27d58@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1f794.47b2ddf5@www.cycling74.com> Thank you for your information... :) From andrew at cycling74.com Wed Feb 13 20:27:10 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Wed Feb 13 20:27:15 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments In-Reply-To: <1f46f.47a7e8aa@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1f7bc.47b3b50e@www.cycling74.com> Yeah you can. Use the VST instruments MIDI in port in System - MIDI/Control Setup -A From cgibson777 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 20:26:13 2008 From: cgibson777 at aol.com (Loopy C) Date: Mon Feb 18 20:26:14 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaLfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1fb69.47ba4c53@www.cycling74.com> Well thank goodness for this thread. I was very close to purchasing radial (even though it does seem to have an uncertain future) but installing the missing radiaLFO was the 'tipping point'! Everything I had hoped to have in radial, an 'animated', phrase phasing looper, presented itself once radiaLFO was put into the picture. You should DEFINITELY get it back into the demo download again. Have now purchased radial (packaged via audiomidi.com) and have had many an inspiring session with the demo while I watch and wait for it to arrive. I hope that inspiration will also strike the authors once again to keep this product alive but if not I will certainly get a lot of great stuff out of this product I somehow missed these past years ;-) From cgibson777 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 20:31:25 2008 From: cgibson777 at aol.com (Loopy C) Date: Mon Feb 18 20:31:27 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1fb6a.47ba4d8d@www.cycling74.com> I myself see this as very much a 'feature'. Some of these threads are a bit old but as of 2008, 'clicks' are very much a compositional aspect (as in Christopher Willits music). An acquired taste? perhaps but certainly something I am digging about radiaL ;-) From cgibson777 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 20:39:33 2008 From: cgibson777 at aol.com (Loopy C) Date: Mon Feb 18 20:39:34 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1fb6d.47ba4f74@www.cycling74.com> Strange, forum refused my edit to above so I'll add it here: ...An acquired taste? Perhaps, but certainly something I am digging about radiaL , you can hear the 'folding of time' much more definitively, they give a unique percussive character (especially with 'pad' material which has a lot of non-zero crossings in the wave). Also makes me think of the 'Hammond' percussion click, now an important staple of that instrument's total repertoire ;-) From vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr Tue Feb 19 01:55:57 2008 From: vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr (Vjeran Salamon) Date: Tue Feb 19 01:56:18 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaLfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1fb89.47ba999c@www.cycling74.com> its not working here :( macbook, 10.4.11. Pluggo 3.6.1 other Pluggos working fine.... From gtaylor at rtqe.net Tue Feb 19 07:34:14 2008 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Tue Feb 19 07:34:16 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaLfo In-Reply-To: <1fb89.47ba999c@www.cycling74.com> References: <1fb89.47ba999c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: >its not working here :( > >macbook, 10.4.11. Pluggo 3.6.1 > >other Pluggos working fine.... Just to be sure (and thanks for including the data about machine and pluggo, although the radiaL version's not included), did you download it frm here? http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/IncrementalDownloads If so, can you describe how it doesn't work. Since you've got pluggo, you could add a copy of Generic Effect to radiaL, choose Messages from the pop-up View menu on Generic Effect's front panel [which will report status of the plug-ins you load] and *then* try loading radiaLFO. That might give us some idea of what's happening..... -- all the clouds turn to words / all the words float in sequence / no one knows what they mean / everyone just ignores them // Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/radial/attachments/20080219/96db0fab/attachment.htm From vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr Tue Feb 19 11:02:23 2008 From: vjeran.salamon at zg.t-com.hr (Vjeran Salamon) Date: Tue Feb 19 11:02:27 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaLfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1fc05.47bb19ae@www.cycling74.com> Dear Gregory, I found one copy of radiaLFO on my external backup HD and its dated (26/05/07). That one works fine. It looks like the version on the incremental downloads is older one (26/06/06). Anyway, thanx for the fast response :) From circles.on.the.field at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:01:51 2008 From: circles.on.the.field at gmail.com (.at/on) Date: Wed Feb 20 13:01:52 2008 Subject: [radiaL] radial LFO feature request Message-ID: <1fd0e.47bc872f@www.cycling74.com> I'm sorry if this topic discussed already, but anyway. I have two feature request. It will be nice to include random wave in LFO. and it will be very cool if it will be possible to change any parameters using some kind of step sequencer. thanks in advance. From kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 07:45:43 2008 From: kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com (kevinmccullagh@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Feb 21 07:45:44 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1fd91.47bd8e95@www.cycling74.com> I think the whole idea of using glitches and clicks is pretty interesting and I like alot of the music in this scene but it doesn't mean I want to use this technique/asthetic quality all the time. One of my favourite 'tricks' with radial is to take an instrument sample (say a harp) set the slices to a low value (say three or four) and play it back using <-> playback at a low speed. You get a really warped, mushy and beautiful texture that I feel is marred by the occasional (not necessarily rhythmic) clicks. Also when composing using headphones these clicks really begin to hurt my ears! I love radial and the way it encourages an algorithmic exploration of the soundfiles and think that it rains on the likes of ableton from quite a height. I feel, however, that it would be a lot more versatile program and one that I would pay for and use in live performance if it had some kind of envelope follower or crossfade looping features which are pretty standard to most sampling software. I know this probably sounds a bit picky but it is really standing in my way of using this software as my main performance tool. I am increasingly beginning to think that I will need to develop my own perfromance patch in the likes of MAX/MSP or Supercollider bit I lack the know how and want to perform NOW and not when I master a new programming language (in about 20 years;) Anyhow, happy looping! Kevin From kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:57:34 2008 From: kevinmccullagh at hotmail.com (kevinmccullagh@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Feb 21 08:57:36 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Cliks when looping In-Reply-To: <1f71d.47b19756@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <1fd99.47bd9f6c@www.cycling74.com> Hi, Just had a listen to Christopher Willitus (colours shifting, the first track on his site). Very nice. The clicks sound great on the cut-up guitar and most defenitley add a rhythmic dimension to the piece. However, if these clicks were on all of the layers (like the vocal, pad, drums etc) they would be less effective, which is most likely to be the reason why they are not there. This makes it an asethetic choice which I feel should be in the hands of the composer rather than the software. I also think the clicks need to be controllable in a (at least) semi-predictable way in order for them to be useful as a rhythm tracks. Although, I can see the merits of using computers to create random chance music, it is important to maintain some level of human control, for me anyway. all the best, Kevin