From wmn303 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 19:06:24 2008 From: wmn303 at comcast.net (Wayne Nixon) Date: Sat Mar 8 19:06:26 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaL UB beta In-Reply-To: <19d6b.46585150@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20731.47d3461d@www.cycling74.com> I have been having problems getting radiaLFO to work. I am currently running radiaL version 1.50b1, Pluggo version 3.61 and Mac OS X 10.4.11 on a PowerMac G5. I can load the plugin but I cannot get it to modulate anything. Is a newer version of the plugin necessary for version 1.50b1 of radiaL? I am currently using a copy of radiaLFO from version 1.35 of radiaL. Thanks, Wayne From wmn303 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 19:44:53 2008 From: wmn303 at comcast.net (Wayne Nixon) Date: Sat Mar 8 19:44:55 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radiaL UB beta In-Reply-To: <20731.47d3461d@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20736.47d34f23@www.cycling74.com> I apologize. I have just located the updated version of the plugin in the extras folder. Thanks, Wayne From patrapapapak at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 06:34:12 2008 From: patrapapapak at gmail.com (Piotr Kurek) Date: Fri Mar 14 06:34:15 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments In-Reply-To: <1f7bc.47b3b50e@www.cycling74.com> References: <1f46f.47a7e8aa@www.cycling74.com> <1f7bc.47b3b50e@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <86fffdd70803140534m46ed3a07jba262d14a73b3a05@mail.gmail.com> hello everyone, first of all thanks fro radiaL. i've been using it for almost everything. composing, decomposing, arranging, performing, dance theatre projects and very low fidelity electronica. there is just no other software like that. but still i have to say there are some things i've never really could figure out. like "save & stamp". could anyone just explain what is that and how it works? i guess it's something like default template save, tried few times but it never really worked that way. thanks, piotr p.s. about forthcoming UB version (hope it's coming) - mouse scroll. could you please implement it in future upgrades. thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/radial/attachments/20080314/5b00c5fa/attachment.htm From artofnoises at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 07:16:04 2008 From: artofnoises at gmail.com (Joseph Young) Date: Fri Mar 14 07:16:40 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments In-Reply-To: <86fffdd70803140534m46ed3a07jba262d14a73b3a05@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f46f.47a7e8aa@www.cycling74.com><1f7bc.47b3b50e@www.cycling74.com> <86fffdd70803140534m46ed3a07jba262d14a73b3a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1203692389-1205500597-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1639-@engine11-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> I'd like to say hurrah to that. I've been rediscovering radial recently, especially the live input which is awesome. I'm finding that the beta version is pretty stable, and would certainly pay an upgrade fee to ensure that the next update is forthcoming. Missing delaye though from Pluggo jnr. Any way to get that back? Joe Joseph Young. www.josephyoung.co.uk www.fieldrecording.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: "Piotr Kurek" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:34:12 To:radial@cycling74.com Subject: Re: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments hello everyone, first of all thanks fro radiaL. i've been using it for almost everything. composing, decomposing, arranging, performing, dance?theatre projects and very low fidelity electronica. there is just no other software like that. but still i have to say there are some things i've never really could figure out. like "save & stamp". could anyone just explain what is that and how it works? i guess it's something like default template save, tried few times but it never really worked that way. thanks, piotr p.s. about forthcoming UB version (hope it's coming) - mouse scroll. could you please implement it in future upgrades. thanks. ? _______________________________________________ radial mailing list radial@cycling74.com http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial From patrapapapak at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 10:09:37 2008 From: patrapapapak at gmail.com (Piotr Kurek) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:13:52 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments In-Reply-To: <1203692389-1205500597-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1639-@engine11-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> References: <1f46f.47a7e8aa@www.cycling74.com> <1f7bc.47b3b50e@www.cycling74.com> <86fffdd70803140534m46ed3a07jba262d14a73b3a05@mail.gmail.com> <1203692389-1205500597-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1639-@engine11-cell01.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <86fffdd70803140909v55612231n59f63683e6fc0afd@mail.gmail.com> i still prefer guitar stomp boxes for live loop recording. but i also never really gave a good try with radial here.anyway we just have to keep faith in cycling. is still buggy beta after all. http://myspace.com/pekurek if just anyone would like to listen some radial in some music. best, piotr On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Joseph Young wrote: > I'd like to say hurrah to that. I've been rediscovering radial recently, > especially the live input which is awesome. > > I'm finding that the beta version is pretty stable, and would certainly > pay an upgrade fee to ensure that the next update is forthcoming. Missing > delaye though from Pluggo jnr. Any way to get that back? > > Joe > Joseph Young. > www.josephyoung.co.uk > www.fieldrecording.org.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Piotr Kurek" > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:34:12 > To:radial@cycling74.com > Subject: Re: [radiaL] Re: VST instruments > > hello everyone, > > > first of all thanks fro radiaL. i've been using it for almost everything. > composing, decomposing, arranging, performing, dance theatre projects > and very low fidelity electronica. there is just no other software like > that. > but still i have to say there are some things i've never really could > figure out. like "save & stamp". could anyone just explain what is that > and how it works? i guess it's something like default template save, > tried few times but it never really worked that way. > > > thanks, > piotr > > > p.s. about forthcoming UB version (hope it's coming) - mouse scroll. > could you please implement it in future upgrades. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > radial mailing list > radial@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial > > > _______________________________________________ > radial mailing list > radial@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/radial > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.cycling74.com/pipermail/radial/attachments/20080314/8e196a4a/attachment.htm From dkimcg at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 23:34:55 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Sat Mar 15 23:34:58 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Max 5 and Radial Message-ID: <20ab1.47dcb17e@www.cycling74.com> I was wondering if the changes in Max 5 will effect Radial. I just got Radial and like it so far, but just started wondering about the future Max and how it might effect Radial. -- -DonK From andrew at cycling74.com Sun Mar 16 09:39:50 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Sun Mar 16 09:40:11 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Max 5 and Radial In-Reply-To: <20ab1.47dcb17e@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20acd.47dd3f46@www.cycling74.com> Maybe. There are some cool things I would like to see included. -A From dkimcg at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 20:34:45 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Sun Mar 16 20:34:47 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Max 5 and Radial In-Reply-To: <20ab1.47dcb17e@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20aef.47ddd8c5@www.cycling74.com> Cool. Is there some sort of known bug list for the 1.5 beta? I don't want to post about any known bugs or issues as I learn how to use it. -- -DonK From andrew at cycling74.com Mon Mar 17 09:17:42 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:17:50 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: Max 5 and Radial In-Reply-To: <20aef.47ddd8c5@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20b33.47de8b95@www.cycling74.com> Feel free to post away. By and large core functionality is in place. Because no work is being done n the underlying core of radiaL, the 4.x branch of MaxMSP, it's not likely that there will be any earth shattering changes to the UB beta. In our testing and in reports I am getting it is working pretty well. -A From dkimcg at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 16:14:31 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Wed Mar 19 16:16:03 2008 Subject: [radiaL] LFO settings don't save? Message-ID: <20c86.47e19047@www.cycling74.com> I finally figured out how to use the LFO plugin and get my sequence/time based pluggos working. But, I save, quit radial, and the LFO comes in unattached to anything. i.e. the connections/controls don't save with the file. Or am I doing something wrong? -- -DonK From dkimcg at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 18:21:35 2008 From: dkimcg at gmail.com (Don K) Date: Wed Mar 19 18:21:40 2008 Subject: [radiaL] LFO smoothness? Message-ID: <20c91.47e1ae0f@www.cycling74.com> I really like the LFO, reminds me of mu analog synth, but it's aliased and stairsteps though the table. Is there something I'm missing? Some sort of smooth interpolate setting (like a hidden line~ inside the table)? It's not bad when I'm using shorter notes, but when I start using whole notes, stairway to hell. It could be ok in context, but is there any way to smooth out the LFO? -- -DonK From info at circleintosquare.com Fri Mar 21 09:56:44 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Fri Mar 21 09:56:52 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <149f7.454b49b9@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20d3f.47e3dabb@www.cycling74.com> agh, i hope it does. it definitely mentions it in the features list. is there a how-to somewhere of how to at least attempt to set this up? From info at circleintosquare.com Fri Mar 21 10:00:20 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Fri Mar 21 10:00:26 2008 Subject: [radiaL] setting up Rewire Message-ID: <20d40.47e3db93@www.cycling74.com> Hello folks, I'm trying to setup radial to play nice with logic pro and ableton live (ableton being the most important one)... I've got Rewire turned on in the host applications. I'm not seeing anywhere to setup any sort of Rewire action in Radial. Is there some step or steps I'm missing here? Do I need to setup some sort of midi communication between the two in order to get proper meter syncing and other fun stuff? Much thanks, Tom From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Mar 21 14:44:27 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Mar 21 14:44:36 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <20d3f.47e3dabb@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20d6e.47e41e27@www.cycling74.com> Works fine for me. 1. Open radiaL 2. Set audio driver to ad_rewire 3. Restart host 4. Select radiaL as a rewire input, however you do it ( I just used Live to verify) 5. Away you go. If you feel you need to "reset" radiaL's rewire registration, delete ~/Library/Application Support/Propellerhead Software/ReWire/radiaL Rewire Device Transport still feels a little funky, I'll have a look at that. -A From andrew at cycling74.com Fri Mar 21 15:56:55 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Fri Mar 21 15:57:01 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: LFO settings don't save? In-Reply-To: <20c86.47e19047@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20d7b.47e42f27@www.cycling74.com> No - you're right , they don't save - just like plugin settings don't save either. -A From info at circleintosquare.com Sat Mar 22 10:19:01 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Sat Mar 22 10:20:12 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <20d6e.47e41e27@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <20dc1.47e53173@www.cycling74.com> Thanks for the reply. I do the aforementioned, and setup the sync to "radial 2" which is the midi track coming back from Live, so the tempos are the same. Radial is showing me that it's getting the tempo from Live, i.e. the Midi Clock text on the sync window blinks with every metronome click in Live... which is a good start. The main thing is, right now Radial is paused... and reports a BPM of -214 when i do the sync. Regardless of whether I do the sync or not though, when I hit play in Live, Radial doesn't start, and radial seems to be locked-- I try to manually hit play in there, bu t it stays paused. When I hit play a white rectangle just appears over the "pause" text. That's all I get. From andrew at cycling74.com Wed Mar 26 18:16:15 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Wed Mar 26 18:16:19 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <20dc1.47e53173@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21026.47eae74f@www.cycling74.com> Are you using the UB beta? Set the sync input to "rewire", not MIDI. I see the tempo display is not updating but transport and tempo are being correctly communicated to radiaL. -A From andrew at cycling74.com Wed Mar 26 18:18:17 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Wed Mar 26 18:18:22 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: LFO smoothness? In-Reply-To: <20c91.47e1ae0f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21027.47eae7c9@www.cycling74.com> hmmm - I'll have a look at it. Thanks -A From info at circleintosquare.com Wed Mar 26 19:36:28 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Wed Mar 26 19:36:34 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21026.47eae74f@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21030.47eafa1c@www.cycling74.com> Hrmm, not that I'm aware of. I reckon there must be something I'm missing, or just doing wrong here. Following the above steps without luck, seem to get the same results each time. I suppose I'm not 100% the best at describing what I'm doing, so I've just taken a screen crop of basically everything I've got going once I follow those setting instructions. I guess it's likely I'm just not doing this correctly in Ableton, which I guess would be an entirely different story all together. In any event, here's what I've got going: http://www.carsandtrains.net/settings.jpg Setup the midi i/o thing in Ableton just to try. Thanks! -Tom Quote: Andrew Pask wrote on Wed, 26 March 2008 18:16 ---------------------------------------------------- > Are you using the UB beta? > > Set the sync input to "rewire", not MIDI. > > I see the tempo display is not updating but transport and tempo are being correctly communicated to radiaL. > > -A ---------------------------------------------------- From info at circleintosquare.com Wed Mar 26 22:05:14 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Wed Mar 26 22:05:20 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21030.47eafa1c@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2103d.47eb1cf9@www.cycling74.com> ahh, universal binary. yes, i suppose i am, because i was trying all of this on my intel mac. i just installed the UB on my power book to see how things play on here, and just saw that option appear. trying it out now. From info at circleintosquare.com Wed Mar 26 22:14:16 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Wed Mar 26 22:14:21 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <149f7.454b49b9@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2103e.47eb1f17@www.cycling74.com> Okay, so it seems i've gotten a little farther here. now i'm seeing Radial in the "Audio From" on Ableton, on a regular Audio track, which makes a lot more sense. The transport/pause is still stuck though, definitely isn't playing when i set up Radial with ad_rewire as output. That's a step in the right direction. Thanks so much for your help, I'd love to use this in conjunction with Live on my upcoming radio sessions. From andrew at cycling74.com Thu Mar 27 09:31:36 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:31:43 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <2103e.47eb1f17@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21072.47ebbdd7@www.cycling74.com> You don't have the UB version. http://www.cycling74.com/downloads/radial In the Sync Setup menu in the UB, there is an extra line for rewire transport. Once this is activated, you have no need for all the MIDI stuff. -A From info at circleintosquare.com Thu Mar 27 11:18:54 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Thu Mar 27 11:19:01 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21072.47ebbdd7@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2107d.47ebd6fd@www.cycling74.com> ahh, I see that now on my intel. I've got Radial essentially rewiring with Live, in that when I hit play in Live now Radial starts playing along with Ableton. There are two things still, unfortunately: The first is, Radial doesn't seem to be outputting any sort of sound in ad_rewire mode, I see no response either in the output level meters or in Live, in any of the 16 inputs. The second is, I tried this on my powerbook with the UB version, and it doesn't seem to even get this far, rewire and live recognize each other in the live inputs, but there is no play sync happening. For reference: http://www.carsandtrains.net/settings-2.jpg, UB playing in sync on intel imac, without sound. Thanks! From andrew at cycling74.com Thu Mar 27 13:46:53 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Thu Mar 27 13:47:01 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <2107d.47ebd6fd@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <21086.47ebf9ad@www.cycling74.com> You need to start ransport in radiaL as well it seems, but after that - rewire transport works. Do you have the monitor in your Live channel set to "In"? Works for me... -A From info at circleintosquare.com Sun Mar 30 17:03:14 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Sun Mar 30 17:03:19 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <21086.47ebf9ad@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2123d.47f01c31@www.cycling74.com> You know, after leaving this for a day or two, I revisited it on my intel mac and it works fine. I switched up the order a little, and viola, it's working on here. Thanks a ton for your patience in helping me sort this out. I've noticed that with the same steps, this won't work on my PPC powerbook, however. Since it's something that works on the intel and not the PPC with the same steps, I'm wondering if maybe it's a cross processor problem and not just the setup? I've noticed other bugs while running on the powerbook, so figure it's a possibility. In all honesty I can't even get Radial to play standalone through Coreaudio or my sound card on that machine. It starts up but the transport won't start. I realize it's beta, so if there's a formal place for me to report bugs to help out, I'd be more than happy to send there. Thanks again for your help, and for this excellent software. -tom From andrew at cycling74.com Mon Mar 31 10:07:22 2008 From: andrew at cycling74.com (Andrew Pask) Date: Mon Mar 31 10:07:33 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <2123d.47f01c31@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <2129d.47f10c39@www.cycling74.com> Here's fine, or you could send them to support at cycling74 dot com. -A From info at circleintosquare.com Mon Mar 31 11:17:08 2008 From: info at circleintosquare.com (Tom Filepp) Date: Mon Mar 31 11:17:15 2008 Subject: [radiaL] Re: radial, logic pro and rewire In-Reply-To: <2129d.47f10c39@www.cycling74.com> Message-ID: <212ae.47f11c93@www.cycling74.com> Thanks Andrew. I think the main things I mentioned, but here's a rundown of what I've found on the PPC: - Transport, playback will not start, regardless of whether I'm in Rewire mode with ad_rewire output, or standalone with Coreaudio, or my audio interface. The part of the transport with the bpm and PAUSE just blink a white box when you try to start up. - Sporadic crashes on shutdown / hanging on shutdown resulting in having to force quit. Hrmm, I know there was one more, I can't recall at the moment though. If it comes to mind throughout the day I will let you know. Thanks! Tom